Member 1739
1 entry
15846 views

 RSS
Aaron Moodie (M, 40)
Melbourne, AU
Immortal since Apr 20, 2008
Uplinks: 0, Generation 3

Aaron Moodie
  • Affiliated
  •  /  
  • Invited
  •  /  
  • Descended
  • Aaron Moodie’s favorites
    From Alan Smith
    Nationhood : The future of...
    Recently commented on
    From Aaron Moodie
    Not Alone, Just Isolated
    Now playing SpaceCollective
    Where forward thinking terrestrials share ideas and information about the state of the species, their planet and the universe, living the lives of science fiction. Introduction
    Featuring Powers of Ten by Charles and Ray Eames, based on an idea by Kees Boeke.
    From Aaron Moodie's personal cargo

    Not Alone, Just Isolated

    With the discovery of the three Super Earths found recently, I started thinking. Maybe the question is not 'Are we alone?', but are we just isolated?

    As Washington astronomer Alan Boss says, the discovery of the three new planets is "really making the case that we live in a crowded universe." If that's the case, where are all the aliens and extraterrestrial contacts? We are at the point where we are able to leave the confines of our planet, scour the solar system and shoot satellites into deep space, so why haven't we ran into anyone?

    Earlier this year a Amazonian tribe that had been hidden away in a remote part of the rain forest was discovered by a plane flying low over the canopy. Here were are people that have remained unknown while the developed world moved on around them, leaving them in a primitive time capsule. If this is possible on our own planet, why not in our galaxy?

    Just like this tribe, our planet may be sitting in a remote area of the Milky Way unaffected as the rest of the galaxy is abuzz with interplanetary trade and commerce.

    Wed, Aug 13, 2008  Permanent link
    Categories: space, exploration, civilization
      RSS for this post
    15 comments
      Promote (9)
      
      Add to favorites (1)
    Create synapse
     
    Comments:


    shandora     Fri, Aug 15, 2008  Permanent link
    Fermi Paradox poses a similar question. One estimate is that technologically advanced civilizations always hit catastrophe ( nuclear holocaust, resource depletion etc. ) before ever developing the capabilities required to make contact with other civilizations.
    This is like universal bad news ;-)
    matthewspencer     Tue, Aug 19, 2008  Permanent link
    It turns out that the lost tribe was actually found in 1910. It is an interesting twist to your metaphor though. Like maybe we did have contact at some point?

    Also, the Fermi Paradox is really depressing.
    nagash     Wed, Oct 14, 2009  Permanent link
    my point of view on this subject is extremely radical, but I'm going to say it anyway...

    - what if we are not alone, nor isolated, but we are just doing it wrong?

    think about it: the whole idea of building a ship out of pieces of metal or any other material source, pushing it forward with jet engines in an effort to cross distances millions times above what our physical bodies can endure... maybe it is just as absurd as trying to access the internet using paper airplanes. maybe this "interplanetary trade and commerce" are all around us, and we are looking at the wrong direction.

    I know it sounds crazy but with everything new I discover seems to point in that direction. in fact, I see the entire universe and existence in a completely different light now, compared to just a couple years ago. It's hard to explain, but this book is a good starting point!


    gamma     Thu, Oct 15, 2009  Permanent link
    There was a report that the lost tribe discovery is a fake. They just photographed some people in the forest.

    :-)
    Amfoes     Thu, Oct 15, 2009  Permanent link
    @ nagash

    Your view is not crazy at all. If one is to put in a more provocative way, another possibility is that we are somehow trapped into a distorted reality by some cosmic misunderstanding or by "little green men" on purpose.

    That being said, I think the view that "we are just doing it wrong" misses the whole point. We, as humans, are well aware of that possbility; yet this is simply the best we can do at the moment, given the postulation that these other creatures are made of the basic elements that are today within the grasp of our knowledge.

    ps. As far as I know, that tribe turned out to be fake.
    gamma     Thu, Oct 15, 2009  Permanent link
    The most recent encounter with UFO reports I had, I remember, was described on CNN few months ago. There were eyewitnesses and analysts of a situation with a hovercraft floating above some folks for awhile... It seems to me they are telling truth; the situation is plausible and I think its great.

    Reasons for UFOs not landing on Earth are:

    1. they have no need for food or energy...
    2. its to far to travel at all unless they live very long (speed of light is a limiting factor)
    3. they have a remote vision and no needs
    4. something about different ecosystem (we smell)

    Reasons for landing on Earth:

    1. they are likely wild animals in search of fun
    2. they are similar to us
    3. we're next

    Reasons for in-between solutions:

    1. aliens are a go, but everything interesting happens only once every 10000 years
    2. everybody is busy traveling to some important place or doing something important (e.g eternal life in virtual reality)
    3. we have exchanged information and goods, the result is aspirin
    4. this is the third world (now its my hairstyle??)
    .
    .
    .
    Olena     Thu, Oct 15, 2009  Permanent link
    Amazing... I have to agree with nagash, about this feeling that we're doing it wrong - I've been feeling that way for a while also, not that I have an idea about what "right" might be, now.
    We are like toddlers. Being constantly surrounded by technology makes it look like we've progressed so, but really our scientific revolutions were only a couple hundred years ago and still so little is truly known.

    Why do we even have this idea that They will come here, first? What if they are just as (or more) primitive as we are?
    gamma     Fri, Oct 16, 2009  Permanent link
    Well I don't know about something being wrong in the universe. There are countless stars over billions of year to produce countless:

    1. forms of life
    2. occurrences of cosmic migration (slow travel could do it)
    3. mathematical theorems that result from millions of years of evolution
    ...and in turn they kick ass.

    Imagine civilizations creating civilizations impervious to cold of space, intelligence on chip, giant moaning fungus of Sirius, space fish with solar sails, or they could invent a blade-less fan.
    Infinitas     Fri, Oct 16, 2009  Permanent link
    nagash: I've read the book as well and I definitely think that the way to explore the universe is through ourselves. Is it possible to achieve such a result now though? Technology will eventually allow for this "mode of transportation," but I think that achieving Nirvana through Buddhist practices is the closest we currently can get(excluding the use of drugs because drugs wear off.)

    I also agree with gamma. I've taken a liking to idea that the universe (and multiverse) is infinite, meaning every possible outcome is possible so long as they are within the laws of their respective universe.
    nagash     Wed, Oct 21, 2009  Permanent link
    I'm pretty convinced there are "billions and billions" of alien civilizations out there, both more primitive and more advanced than we are right now. but I think the whole idea of aliens physically visiting us, or finding aliens ourselves, is extremely unlikely to happen! I don't say impossible, but you need such a number of convergences to allow it to take place... it's like winning the lottery.

    but even if I'm not buying tickets for the flying saucer show, doesn't mean I don't think we can't contact "alien" intelligence. In fact, as Infinitas said, Buddhists have been psychonauts for millennia, and developed a series of smooth techniques and traditions around it.

    so, humanity looks Isolated right now, but things are escalating faster and faster.
    sooner or later, our monkey may hit the light switch and find out that we are right in the middle of the party :)
    AsylumSeaker     Wed, Oct 28, 2009  Permanent link
    I've wondered if perhaps the lack of signals from intelligent life could be due to life being affected by some sort of 'season' that we're unaware of. Perhaps all the systems within range are still in their gestative periods in the same way that seeds are before spring, and all of them are just coming into bloom now.
    Aaron Moodie     Fri, Mar 26, 2010  Permanent link
    @nagash

    - what if we are not alone, nor isolated, but we are just doing it wrong?

    love it. Since writing this post, I've been starting to think a lot along those line, or more that there is so much we don't understand, and to comprehend how much we don't understand is a challenge in itself. I aways like coming back to the idea that yesterday we knew that the Earth was flat, so what will we know tomorrow.
    alok subbarao     Sun, Apr 4, 2010  Permanent link
    I've had this exact same thought before. There are many possibilities: perhaps we are the first, or the last civilization the universe will ever know. Maybe we're the undiscovered tribe in the forest, or maybe life is so sparse that it only occurs in 1 in 10^9 galaxies, so no life ANYWHERE will EVER contact each other, for the entire duration of this universe. The beauty of the vastness of the universe is that it is equally mind boggling whether or not we are alone.
    Lifestream     Mon, Sep 27, 2010  Permanent link
    Maybe our problem is that we try to focus too much on finding life... as we know it! We keep searching for other planets such are our. Maybe our problem is that we don't understand life, yet.

    Life appear to me so simple, yet, it is so complex. I like to think as life being made the following way... Starting at the DNA level (I don't want to go before that :)... DNA, following the Fibonacci evolution creating a strutural object (cells)... that object in the presence of other similar objects, all interacting on each other thus inflicting changes on each others and creating this so complexe structural thing we call body.. this so called body being animated by this strange energy we call our thoughts.. though, we seem to think that our brain is what is creating our thoughts... I actually think that the energy flowing through all of us is being modified by our bodies!.. like a sort of osmose and that our brain nerves are actually a mere imprint of this energy flow.

    If life is so diversified on Earth, it's probably because it's also so natural. Anyway, I like to think that the other planets in our Solar System are not so lifeless. I understand that the pressure, temperature and other observations we made and compared to Earth are making the other planets hostile and that they cannot hold life but I believe this is only because we know nothing else. On some other planet, bodies may be made of what would be on our planet, gases or even water. For some other being living on a planet with a much heavier atmosphere, we might be gaseous to them. It just a matter of persepective at that point. Beside, as we go deeper and deeper in our own planet, where the environment is said to be so hostile as to make life impossible... we continue to find new form of life.

    If lighting was invisible and passing through us without being able to feel it, how would have we come to study it or even to know it's there? Gases for instances, we had to be able to identify one first before we start searching for more types.

    This kind of thinking is really lifting me up :) .. I must sound crazy now... perhaps I am but that is also a matter of perspective ;)
    Infinitas     Mon, Sep 27, 2010  Permanent link
    Someone once told me that Einstein believed we could live outside of our bodies as energy. Regardless of whether or not Einstein actually believed this, I think it's very possible that we can, or at least will be able to, live free of our "physical responsibilities."

    We must determine if we can access worlds outside of our body through no means other than our own being. Many religions talk about different states of mind with and without the use of drugs to open our minds to alternate realities and even other sentient beings. We have to determine whether or not these visions are directly induced by the drug, influenced by our subconscious thoughts, and/or products of our brains being altered in a way that "picks up" a different wavelength of the Universe.

    With the aid of technology, people believe that one day humans will be able to upload their mind onto a computer and forever live, immortal, in a virtual world, potentially infinitely greater than our current physical world in every aspect of life. If such a thing is possible, I would also propose that we would be able to traverse an exact replica of our Universe as we know it, possibly linking up with other civilizations in a wireless, galactic information superhighway.

    So we could find life in the multiverse of and within our minds but also find life within a metaverse. It's like one scenario is very natural, and the other is virtual, synthetic. So regardless of being isolated, are we doing it wrong or are we not? Do we alter evolution, left-mindedly into the virtual world or right-mindedly into the intangible Universe. When the time comes, will there even be a difference; will neuroscience completely merge with computer science?
     
          Cancel