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    Church Of Thermodynamics


    The laws of thermodynamics contradict themselves unless dualism is true, some kind of dualism in physics.

    When calculated on mass and energy alone, the laws of thermodynamics (which most scientists accept as facts) are accurate, but when calculated on everything we have observed, they contradict themselves, and anything that has at least 1 contradiction can not be a "law" of physics.


    First, what are the laws of thermodynamics?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroth_law_of_thermodynamics
    "If A and C are each in thermal equilibrium with B, A is also in thermal equilibrium with C."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics
    "energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
    Statistically, heat will move from hot things to cold things more often than it moves the other direction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_law_of_thermodynamics
    "As a system approaches absolute zero, all processes cease and the entropy of the system approaches a minimum value."


    Below, I will explain why 1 of the following 2 things must be true:

    (1) Some kind of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism  exists in physics, which would make the laws of thermodynamics a religion instead of science, OR

    (2) At least 1 of the laws of thermodynamics are wrong.



    Physics means how the universe works.

    If there is no dualism in physics, then by definition, there is only 1 kind of thing in the universe.

    Mass and energy are interchangible if you do certain things, and the same is true of many other things in physics. Its a common idea that everything is made of vibrating strings or surfaces or other equations. The theory that there is only 1 kind of thing in the universe is taken seriously by many scientists, and the scientists that do not take it seriously, are dualists by definition.

    The "big bang theory" says the "laws of physics" changed during the first fraction of a second of the big bang, or that is where they formed into what they are now. There is also speculation about the laws of physics changing or not working the same way in some parts of black holes or when enough particles simultaneously hit each other at near the speed of light. The idea that the laws of physics can change is taken seriously by many scientists.

    If there is only 1 kind of thing in the universe, the laws of physics must be made of it, or physics could be statistical patterns of it, and energy is made of the same thing. The laws of physics would be made of energy.

    Therefore the laws of thermodynamics (which are normally only used to calculate mass and energy) also apply to the laws of physics.

    Thermodynamics says disorder increases over time and eventually spreads evenly through the whole universe and stays that way forever. Therefore (if dualism is false and thermodynamics is true) then the laws of physics will slowly become more disordered as time goes on, therefore no specific pattern will continue to be accurate forever (It will become more disordered).

    But the third law of thermodynamics says very accurately what the universe will become and continue to be forever after that. It says heat will spread out evenly to everything and forever approach some constant minimum heat.

    That is a very well defined and accurate pattern, which contradicts the claim of thermodynamics that patterns will become disorder.

    I did not take thermodynamics out of context. Either dualism is true, or thermodynamics can be applied to the laws of physics the same way its applied to energy.

    Scientists talk about how the "laws of physics" started being the way they are, including the numbers in the equations and how many variables etc. It appears that physics would form out of large patterns over long times, like the one predicted by the third law of thermodynamics. Instead of it staying that way forever, which is a very linear view, I think our reality slowly changes from mass/energy/space/time/etc to such a pattern (predicted by the third law), and that pattern becomes part of a new "laws of physics", so its a rotation or a fractal zooming instead of the end of time. I think thermodynamics is a linear view of something that should be viewed as a fractal.


    I've got my own reasons for thinking dualism is not true, and with that comes the logical requirement that thermodynamics is not true. Of course people are free to believe in the dualist church of thermodynamics, but please keep your religion out of my school and government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics

    Also, I've posted this to http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=190312  which is a forum mostly populated by members of the Church Of Thermodynamics.

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    nagash     Mon, Nov 1, 2010  Permanent link
    "We live in a Newtonian world of Einsteinian physics ruled by Frankenstein logic"

    I got interested in your case against duality... can you talk about it someday?
    personally I believe there's no truth without a paradox on it :)
    gamma     Mon, Nov 8, 2010  Permanent link
    Hey Ben, here's something to keep you entertained. The magnetic refrigeration allows pouring the entropy of magnetic moments into the entropy of heat and back, if so desired. Cool and it works.
     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_refrigeration 
    BenRayfield     Thu, Nov 18, 2010  Permanent link
    nagash, most of my reasons for thinking the universe is 1 thing with all parts being connected in some way to all other parts, instead of "duality" (I am not a dualist), are explained in technical detail at http://spacecollective.org/BenRayfield/6447/Global-Telepathy-Network  You're right about the paradox part, but in that thread I put enough abstraction around the paradox that I was able to cancel it out. The most paradox-like part is the universe equaling Chaitin's Constant because it includes an infinite number of halting-problems (a software/math thing) which are each unsolvable in less than an infinite time. The "unsolvable in less than an infinite time" of those things allows us to push the multiverse around a little (It can't form any shape which contains a solution to the halting-problem so we know something about its shape to push it with), because it requires a non-symmetry in physics (which would all total to a symmetric universe together, but we are closer to some than others) which can be amplified repeatedly through statistics. In that thread, I explain my mad-science theory of how the universe works at the deepest level in a non-dualist way, and why we should expect telepathy and other strange mental abilities based on such physics, and how we can use it.

    gamma, that link summarizes it as "Gadolinium alloy heats up inside the magnetic field and loses thermal energy to the environment, so it exits the field cooler than when it entered." It appears they're saying that moving in and out of the magnetic field is symmetric and what makes it work is temperature not being symmetric, but I'll have to think about this one more.
     
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