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    Whats really happening overall? Details like disagreements between countries are not important enough for this thread. Politicians and rich people and almost every organization on this planet are each distracted with their own goals. Somebody has to understand the whole system a little, just a summary, not a lot of information but the correct information.

    Every problem looks too hard to solve if you don't understand the summary. Before there were airplanes, people thought building them would be too hard because of how hard it is to flap your arms. Completely unrelated to the actual solution.

    Most people think it will be some huge time (maybe next century) before certain technology is invented or certain global problems are solved. They talk about the history of repeated failure and slow progress. The way those people do things, they would be right, but I have no reason to use the strategies (which I will explain below) of people who expect to fail. They didn't understand the problems, so they didn't find the solutions. They thought there were too many problems to take the time to understand the summary.

    I'll explain a few important patterns I've seen repeated all over the Earth and what they appear to be leading to. Then I'm asking you to fill in the patterns I've not noticed and what they lead to, and most importantly, what all the patterns do together...

    * Money is not a stable system. The economy laws are changed faster than anyone can read them. As  says it, money is a game where you're not allowed to know the rules. What do we do when playing cards and an other player tries to change the rules after we've already put our bet on the table? Certainly not ask for his economic predictions based on the new rules.  is a cycle involving laws, propaganda, and money which continuously increases military technology and wars.

    * Most people have really insane priorities, like arriving at work on time and buying junk to put in their house, instead of avoiding their own death and simultaneously extinction of the Human species (which some of them think is less important than their own death, not understanding that extinction kills them too). Just 2 years ago I was asked on a voting paper if I wanted to take away some rights from gays. Is that really what we should be spending time voting on? How about not dying? I hear theres many millions of people dying from extremely simple problems to solve, like not getting bitten by a certain flying insect. How did that get below "Where a man sticks his dick" on the priority list to vote on? The most insane people will never admit they are insane. The average person is dangerously insane, preferring to buy health insurance instead of do things to avoid their own death (and extinction).

    * The most powerful politicians and rich people decide how to change the world in secret. They use excuses like "national security" and "We have too much paperwork and complication in the system to answer that question." What the puppet masters really mean is we haven't made them think they will lose enough money etc if they do not answer our questions.

    * Regardless of what they say, the ACTIONS of most businesses demonstrate that the main reason they avoid damaging the environment and hurting people is to make more money, which includes people thinking good things about them and not getting sued or paying fines. They calculate statistics on how many people their products or actions will directly hurt on average and compare that to the statistics on how many of those things can be proven and the cost of getting sued for it and the reduction in sales that would result if people knew they intentionally sacrificed their customer's safety or the environment etc to make more money. The world would run much more efficiently if we stopped regulating ACTIONS and started regulating the REASONS for those actions. For example, if a business calculates that 1 more person should die on average so they can make X amount more money, then that sounds like premeditated murder to me. We already have a law for that. More about specific numbers for X at

    * Intellectual Property is where you can have original ideas and somebody else owns them because they already claimed all possible ways to solve a certain problem which you were trying to solve on your own. Intellectual property does other things too, but they're unimportant things involving making people rich based on the past. I'm interested in the present and the future. The important thing about Intellectual Property is what its becoming: It gets stronger every year, claiming ownership of more things or in more ways. One way to change that is

    * The complexity of the economy and governments and most organizations are increasing exponentially to handle the exponential complexity of the other systems, which will do the same thing as money: destabilize and destroy itself, if it continues as it has been for many years.

    * There are much more than enough computers to simulate a Human brain, and there are machines accurate enough to create any DNA they want. To the scientists surprise, direct access to those things was not followed by understanding them or learning how to use them much. Life is much more complex than they thought, and they still haven't used simple things like a computer mouse to its full potential yet. Those in power are using brain-computer-interfaces for the only thing they know how to do: controlling and standardizing people. Why send a soldier into battle when he can control a robot to kill for him? Why do you need people at all? Let's just learn how brains work then build robots to kill other robots. Brain-computer-interfaces are going to change lots of things, and most people still think its science-fiction... and they'll keep thinking that until its in electronics stores. Maybe brains aren't all that great. Brains didn't help them predict what will be in the electronics stores or avoid the dangers of it.

    * Some technology advances exponentially, while other technology gets more complicated and just a little more advanced slowly. Cell phones are really primitive compared to what they could be, because of Intellectual Property causing "incompatibility wars". Most technology is designed to keep people down and control them, and get them to pay for small reductions in such oppression. There are many laws preventing me from putting up my own cell phone network without any proprietary junk in it. Why is that? It's not hard to build a wireless device with a screen and some buttons and a microphone and a speaker, but building it and making it work on a global scale isn't the hard part. The hard part is getting permission from those in power. Despite the forces against technology advancing, some of it is advancing faster than anyone can keep up with, and its not going to stop. Could this be an other thing that's more important than voting on where people stick their dick? Have you noticed there are automated flying machines and robots that walk? Just don't call it a "terminator" and we'll be ok. It can only hold a gun if programmed to, and  would never do that. It would be more efficient to build the guns into the body of the robots, leaving their hands free. If you think walking robots are scary, you might not want to look into what I'm building. It's more like Star Trek's Borg Collective but without the medical implants and mind control, just through psychology software. The interaction between money and technology is dangerous and feeds the war machine, which brings me to the next important pattern: Open-source software.

    * Open-source software. Businesses and governments and lots of others use the strategy of building something that costs them almost nothing to operate or duplicate, using the law to prevent anyone else from using that very effective solution, getting you dependent on it, then raising the price and using it to get you dependent on more things, in an endless cycle of exploiting and deceiving people. Many computer programmers had enough of that and formed some strategies together that have now become so strong that it can be debated which of proprietary or open-source software is more advanced. But with so much advertising, its hard for people to find the open-source alternatives. Open-source means you can build more programs with it, that you have the legal and technical ability to do that. Some open-source licenses require that you can only build open-source software with it, which is called a "viral license" (GNU GPL mostly), and that has been the most effective. There are at least 50000 softwares like that, and businesses are finding it harder to compete with people who have much less resources and mostly have the advantage that they decided to work together instead of what businesses normally do. There are open-source-like things too, including text and music and hardware which the creators chose not to patent or enforce Intellectual Property in certain ways. Open-source will continue to get stronger, and there is nothing those in power can do about it.

    * Physics knowledge is increasing quickly. Parallel realities have been detected at the small scale, like in double-slit and half-mirror experiments with lasers, and other experiments with small things. DNA can be built instead of randomly put together. All of this is connected to the exponentially increasing technology. Some researchers like at  take things seriously that were previously thought of as superstition or paranormal. Just because something is not well understood or has been faked by lots of people does not mean it can not be understood through enough experiments. We're probably closer than most people think to 1 equation that can calculate all of physics and explain what consciousness is and how to create more of it and use it, to build machines that make mass and energy do whatever we want it to do. Physics is about accuracy, not throwing more money and brute-force strategies at it. Don't forget there are already enough nuclear weapons to explode the whole surface of the Earth. What I described isn't that much more advanced.

    * Social networks and other forms of emergent organization are increasing quickly. People are learning to interact in groups in ways never before done in history, resulting in building more advanced things and finding more complex solutions. Voting isn't just for laws anymore. Its for organizing information between people. On average, businesses are becoming less hierarchy and more peer-to-peer, a little. Most people know voting in elections has little effect, but they make things happen through these new organizations made possible through phones and the internet etc. This will continue to increase and have few bad effects, but those in power will eventually see that its incompatible with them staying in power and will resist indirectly and secretly. For example, they may resist by claiming Intellectual Property ownership of new kinds of communication or ways of organizing people, or make laws saying the only way to do it is through their systems. Social networks and emergent ways of organizing people are more powerful than those who appear to have power now.

    Overall I expect the Human species will either destroy itself in World War 3 OR learn to increase their own intelligence and learn to think with computers and each other more as 1 mind. I expect we'll be mass-producing faster than light starships around the year 2040, if we're not dead. But first we need to understand the SUMMARY of whats happening on Earth so we can choose efficient strategies. If I didn't think it could be done, I wouldn't waste my time trying. I play to win.

    Please reply with the summary of whats really happening on Earth, only the most important patterns, where they lead, and what we might do about it. Too many people get stuck on the details.

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         Thu, Nov 25, 2010  Permanent link
    What's your thoughts on this? 
    BenRayfield     Fri, Nov 26, 2010  Permanent link
    dmitri, it describes a way to run certain brain-like calculations using a million times less energy and therefore able to run more of them at a time without overheating. I expect they will learn much about brains, and if they eventually build enough of them to simulate a whole Human brain, it could learn to make all the same mistakes I described above and help us create World War 3 faster and more efficiently.

    Brains are not a good software design to copy. Most of them are not general computers as proven by their inability to learn the following as intuition instead of something written on paper: If I flipped 2 coins, both landed, and at least 1 landed tails, then whats the chance both landed tails? The 2 coins can be replaced by any 2 events, the question asked in that context, and whatever learning from the correct answer of 1/3 (not 1/4 or 1/2 which most people say) is not transferred to the new context. Human brains have extreme difficulty with simple bayesian questions, a flaw which bayesian networks do not have. As I explained above, "The average person is dangerously insane, preferring to buy health insurance instead of do things to avoid their own death (and extinction)."

    They're doing the wrong calculation a million times more efficiently. I expect they'll make a lot of money from it, since its the calculation those with power are doing.

    I have a question for them... When they build their supercomputer of brain simulations, will it answer that simple math question with a 1/3 or with the same 1/2 and 1/4 which most people answer, and if it answers like average people do, then do we really want a supercomputer that can't answer a simple statistics question?

    For the same reason, an ancient computer running a chess search-tree software with bayesian optimizations will still beat their Human simulation at the game of chess. What are they really accomplishing?
    gavinkeech     Fri, Nov 26, 2010  Permanent link

    focus on what is seen to be best avoided, best be avoided in mentioning.

    let's build a means of utilising thought-forms to allow increased evolutionary progress to occur.

    when evolutionary progress begins with the right focus and continues those ways(multiple), negative possibilities are absorbed(removed through interplay) to allow growth and thrivability.

    the exaptive form/non-form of polytopia, has lots of what is happening on earth as it's emerging. all of these posts are comments to your questions and answers which are of good sight, of what to expect, if we remain on fluid pathways with the right choice of focus on perspectives.

    the details : are the emotions attached to questions and answers we make, let's not attempt to form strong concepts of what is wrong, and begin to build without sight of the problems we want to avoid. they can be there as possibilities, but the discovery of the future happens through urgency, that is enough to continue what we are, and go where we can help each other enter.

         Fri, Nov 26, 2010  Permanent link
    It's not like they're doing this to process complicated mathematical equations. From their page, this is what they're trying to accomplish:

    A promising alternative to GPUs and FPGAs, Neurogrid will make the computational power required to explore various hypotheses about how the cortex works affordable. Neurogrid's speciality is modeling interactions between cortical areas, of which there are over three dozen in the visual system alone, connected by lateral, feedforward, and feedback projections. Feedback projections constitute about half the total—virtually every area projects back to the areas that feed it—yet their role remains mysterious. One hypothesis is that they integrate these areas' myriad representations into a coherent percept. Another hypothesis is that they mediate attention, zooming in on the most informative area and excluding the others.

    We have things like the blue brain project using so much resources to understand something that in reality runs on 20watts of electricity.

    This is going to allow computers to perceive as we do - Hopefully increasing the symbiotic relationship between man and machine so both become more useful. In the meantime it's not like we're going to stop using regular computers, it's just an adjunct.
    BenRayfield     Fri, Nov 26, 2010  Permanent link
    Yes it will be useful for those kinds of things, but its off topic here. This thread is for summarizing the most important things happening on Earth, and I defined the minimum importance this way: "Details like disagreements between countries are not important enough for this thread." You could write about patterns in advancing brain simulation technology and what that leads to, but the specifics of any 1 technology are not what this thread is for. My previous response was in the context of those patterns I wrote in the first post.
         Sun, Nov 28, 2010  Permanent link
    Please reply with the summary of whats really happening on Earth, only the most important patterns, where they lead, and what we might do about it. Too many people get stuck on the details.


    Maybe that IS the problem. Maybe we're so busy trying to make reductive theories of what is up, which inevitably leads to missing things out, as this problem is less of an absolute and more of an ongoing process that slips between our fingers when we try and grasp it like some kind of non-Newtonian fluid. Maybe we could do well with a model-free systematic interpretation of this problem: 
    BenRayfield     Sun, Nov 28, 2010  Permanent link
    I agree we should put all these patterns into software (I'll eventually build something like that), but no software exists yet thats smart enough that it would help us understand it better than simply writing the most important patterns here. I didn't have a "problem" writing what is probably half of the important patterns on Earth in the first post. I'm asking for the other half.