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    Lucid Dreaming
    Dream are cool.

    have you heard of lucid dreaming?

    It's when you become aware that you are dreaming and are able to control it. I have only experienced this twice in my life when I was much younger, around age 10 or so. I don't remember much of the dream now but I do remember the feeling of amazement and excitement for the next time I got to sleep :).

    I became in complete control when I was lucid dreaming.

    Wiki on lucid dreaming



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    partymarty     Thu, Dec 13, 2007  Permanent link
    I've experienced glimpses but never a full lucid dream. Sometimes I'll get to a point where everything seems so vivid and clear like a flash of Technicolor and I'll feel totally in control of my actions and surroundings... but then I get really excited and wake up. I hear it takes practice and there are ways of "training" yourself to have more frequent lucid dreams. Definitely something I need to mark down on my to do list.
    Feroze     Thu, Dec 13, 2007  Permanent link
    Hell yah, you gotta train for that shit. It must be soo phenomenal to be a lucid dream master. Prolly have to train for decades before you get to that title.
    chixink     Mon, Dec 17, 2007  Permanent link
    There are induction tapes which can help you with Lucid Dreaming. It does take practice and patience, but once you have them, you'll never want to dream normally again!

    I am still in the practicing stage and at least I am able to become aware when I am dreaming that it is a dream.

    Check out Brainwave Mind Voyages, these tapes help you attain lucid dream control. (with practice of course!)
    rua     Mon, Dec 17, 2007  Permanent link
    Apparently, the best way to build up the ability to have a lucid dream is attempt to remember your dreams as best as you can. Right when you wake up, write down everything you remember. Make your dreams present in reality.

    I've had one lucid dream, and this is how I built up to having it. The experience was incredible. It's a fantastic connection if you think about it. You're actually controlling these subconscious musings, consciously. You have awareness over a pocket of your brain that you're not supposed to have any control over.
    folkert     Mon, Dec 17, 2007  Permanent link
    Even though I interpret it metaphorically, I've always enjoyed Carlos Castaneda's writings on the subject.
    aeonbeat     Mon, Dec 17, 2007  Permanent link
    I heard a good practice is to hold an object in your hand while falling asleep and still trying to stay aware of it...
    Feroze     Mon, Dec 17, 2007  Permanent link
    I seriously did not know about the ability to practice lucid dreaming. I was almost just kidding when I was talking about becoming a lucid dream master, although from all your comments, seems like something that is achievable. Dayumnn I should look into this.

    Although maybe I should start by trying to just remember my dreams first. Over the past year, I can only remember waking up on a couple occasions where I remember dreaming. Otherwise, I usually can never remember my dreams :( Is their anything I can do to help myself remember them?
    N8     Fri, Nov 28, 2008  Permanent link
    Lucid Dreaming is an amazing experience. I have been practicing, and recording my dreams for almost 5 years now. The Dream world is the most amazing part of our lives in my opinion... Its all that will be left of us when our bodies are gone. There is a lot of information out there and ANYONE can become a lucid dreamer.... I HIGHLY recommend looking into it, Check my timpecapsule soon I will make a post on successes with different techniques that I have tried over the past few years. Dream on dreamers!
    Infinitas     Sun, Nov 30, 2008  Permanent link
    Heh, what an awesome topic. I guess I am very close to becoming a "lucid dream master." But the way the "skill" has come to me is very unorthodox and I don't recommend it to anyone. In fact, I am trying to figure why I have unbelievable and awesome lucid dreams almost every night. Also, I never wanted to obtain this (though I am incredibly glad I now have it), nor ever really knew about it until I started to have the dreams...

    My lucid dreams have come from my recreational use with drugs (shrooms and weed only.) I enjoy shrooms once in a blue moon but have stopped smoking. Since my first experience with shrooms and quitting smoking, I have been having amazing lucid dreams, which I have been able to control, more or less, almost every night; at least 3. After my body rid itself of any weed (THC) presence, that's when the dreams would start. There have been two periods in the past 2 years that I have smoked heavily and then stopped for a lengthy time, and it's clear to me that when I smoke I have no dreams. In fact, when I go to bed knowing that I am going to have an awesome dream, it makes me want to stay away from weed even more.

    Almost every night while lying in bed I try to think of something that I want to be in my dream. Many times it has worked. There have also been times where I would lie in my bed with my eyes closed having incredible lucid dreams but still completely aware of my physical self and people in the room next to me watching TV. Most of my dreams have people or places from my past and sometimes current friends. I've had dreams where I felt I was literally flying through the sky and others where I was living underwater. But by far the best part about lucid dreaming is being able to control what you do in those dreams and whether or not you stay dreaming. I have only been able to do this a few times, but I practice them often once I'm in a dream.

    I have recorded many dreams and many times when I wake up, I still remember detailed parts of the dream throughout the day. I too, HIGHLY recommend trying to have lucid dreams. They could change your view on life altogether. Sometimes I feel like I cheated my way into this gift, but then again I never desired it in the first place.

    On a side note: I am fascinated with quantum physics and the ideas behind parallel universes and higher dimensions. The more I read, the more I believe that dreams are us, unconsciously, living in those parallel universes. :D
    superconcepts     Mon, Dec 1, 2008  Permanent link
    I used to have recurring nightmares about an alien species that took on the form of members of my family. (I was about 7). As I analysed them more while awake, I added more detail to them, such as the fact they hid a 3rd eye to distinguish them from the real relative. Eventually, I conjured up a way to kill them all, and when I next dreamt about them, I did it. It worked and the nightmares stopped.

    Since then I haven't had much experience with Lucid dreaming, my older mind tends to ruin the illusion by waking up as soon as I realise I'm dreaming.

    Love the idea about holding something in your hand. Gotta try that.
    re404     Wed, Dec 3, 2008  Permanent link
    Last week I was on 600mg Ibuporfen pain killers, and I had my first lucid dream experience!

    Anyone noticed this too?

    Bye,
    REmko//
    aeonbeat     Wed, Dec 3, 2008  Permanent link
    you can always see this website: http://ld4all.com

    like synesthesia, i used to have lucid dreams a lot as a child, now almost none. i had a couple though and one of them is probably the best dream i've ever had... not just entertaining, it was a great spiritual experience. seeing this posting again, i think i will do some practice
    superconcepts     Sun, Dec 7, 2008  Permanent link
    Awesome website Aeonbeat.

    I've started giving this a go.

    By making a point to remember my dreams before I go to sleep, I'm finding that every time I wake during the night, I actually have remembered the dream. I write it down because I'll forget it by the morning.

    Now I've realised that I dream several times a night, even though I thought I didn't even dream any more!

    My dreams are becoming more vivid. I'm not quite at the point of lucidity yet, but I'll keep working on it.

    My advice for anyone interested, read the instructions of http://ld4all.com  and start remembering your dreams!

    I'll keep you posted!
    aeonbeat     Sun, Dec 7, 2008  Permanent link
    i'm glad it helped, i really like this website.
    nagash     Wed, Dec 10, 2008  Permanent link
    yesterday, I read the entire guide at ld4all.com and also the wikipedia entry on lucid dreams. so, tonight, something happened - I woke at the middle of the night, because of a lucidity burst in my dream. but I forgot the dream almost instantaneously...

    so, I though - it's late of night, so I still have the best REM time, and I'm wake. it's perfect time to test those techniques I read about. I was too lazy to WBTB (wake-back-to-bed) so I decided to do something WILD (wake into lucid dream). I tried to remember something from my dream, but it was totally gone, so I started counting my breath, climbing stairs... and everytime I realized I was falling into dream, the visions faded and I was feeling my body again... rubbing my hands, touching tongue in the roof of the mouth and even yelling "increase lucidity" couldn't help. I realized how they are probably helpful, but I'm too noob to succeed.

    the major problem was my memory... the dream fade away before I can think about it. I really have to start a dream journal and workout my brain muscles for a while, before expecting the lucid dreams.

    superconcepts     Thu, Dec 11, 2008  Permanent link
    I read somewhere that your memory is wiped as soon as your motor neurons fire.

    I got around this by concentrating hard on remembering when I woke up, trying to "stay in the dream" until I had made the memories more solid. Don't know if this makes sense, but maybe it'll help.
    LED     Fri, Dec 12, 2008  Permanent link
    Scientists extract images directly from brain
    ...
    "Researchers from Japan’s ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories have developed new brain analysis technology that can reconstruct the images inside a person’s mind and display them on a computer monitor, it was announced on December 11. According to the researchers, further development of the technology may soon make it possible to view other people’s dreams while they sleep."
    ...
    Via PinkTentacle
    aeonbeat     Fri, Dec 12, 2008  Permanent link
    lately i managed to remember really complete images of my sleep, but no logging. also managed to pull out long forgotten memories, images and feelings from childhood and other past periods. my memory is strongly working with keys, like archiving everything, but putting a primary key that's connected with something else and it's all semantic. i guess it is how memory works in fact, along with synesthesia. then if i manage to follow the chains i get this unique feeling between nostalgy and deja vu, feeling of being myself beyond time and space and all the changes that occur to me - my single face and character, the root of all self awareness. for example i have a couple of images in my mind from the time being a baby, then 1-2 years old - crisis is what makes my senses wake up and mark the moment. for example, when i was baptized (it's a tradition here) in that early age, they put the baby in a big vessel full of water naked. and this is the image in my head - me screaming and crying, i don't know if the water was any hot or cold, but i have a clear picture of what was in front of the eyes. many years later i went to that monastery as part of a vacation and i saw those details i have in my memory. this is probably the most strong example of lucidity while being actually awake, whatever it means
    N8     Sat, Dec 13, 2008  Permanent link
    I started practicing having lucid dreams a lot more since this thread. Last night was an intense one. I feel that language is a very limiting way to describe dreams, but let me assure you it was intense. The Japanese are now developing software that will hopefully one day be able to let them "see" your dreams. I don't know a lot about it but I posted the article in my timecapsule, you should check it out. Its only now I see that this was already linked about, but oh well, very very interesting...
    aeonbeat     Sat, Dec 13, 2008  Permanent link
    oh, i read about it as well
    Infinitas     Sun, Dec 14, 2008  Permanent link
    Usually when I have the dreams, they usually just come onto me unexpectedly. But just recently and only maybe 2-3 times, I've felt some kind of sensation come over me while lying in bed attempting to fall asleep. I was still awake while it happened and has really made me curious. Basically, it felt like I was being overwhelmed by consciousness. It could have also been my body becoming somewhat "paralyzed," but there was was a strange, but good, feeling of being overcome by something.
    aeonbeat     Mon, Dec 15, 2008  Permanent link
    @Infinitas feels like diving ni your own mind, in the endless black in front of your closed eyes? :)
    Infinitas     Mon, Dec 15, 2008  Permanent link
    Yes, exactly!
    N8     Mon, Dec 15, 2008  Permanent link
    I have this method of relaxing, that I have been able to do ever since I was young. I can do it whenever I please, even during the day if it is quiet. To just completely let go of everything, and this sweeping feeling comes over me. It is very pleasurable, and feels somewhat like floating, sometimes it will leave a chill up my spine when I open my eyes back up to the real world. When I feel that feeling coming on as you described when dozing off to bed, I do my best to just relax. Which in a sense is to try hard not to think about anything at all... and u can fall right into that dream and be Lucid right from the very begininng. It sounds difficult because it is at first, but trust me with practice it become second nature!
    Infinitas     Mon, Dec 15, 2008  Permanent link
    Yeah that's exactly what I have tried to do. I get in a comfy position and just lay there with my eyes closed and focus on "the now." I clear my head of everything and try to focus on the blackness and imagine myself breaking through the inside of my eyelids into another dimension. I just need more practice I think...I'll definitely get a lot over this coming holiday season.
    aeonbeat     Mon, Dec 15, 2008  Permanent link
    imagine myself breaking through the inside of my eyelids into another dimension.


    it's so spacious!
    N8     Thu, Dec 18, 2008  Permanent link
    if you really want to start remembering and understanding your dreams you really need to keep a dream journal. whether paper and pen or a notepad that u save with the date in a folder on your desktop. write them down as soon as you are awake while they are fresh because unless you do record them or thoroughly review them then they will dissipate quickly. draw pictures of the images you see as well, they are just as important as anything. also record the feelings you felt, whether physical such as heat or pain, or emotional like bliss or doom or paranoia. well, im not gonna let this get too long, plz feel free to email me with and questions regarding any dreams that you have had or techniques that have been successful for you to break the plane of lucidity...


    im really interested in creating an open dialogue concerning dreams and the importance they have in our lives so the first step is for you all that care to record your dreams accordingly, and when the time comes shortly we can begin this project
    cupcakewizard     Fri, Dec 19, 2008  Permanent link
    This is really inspiring. Infinitas, that is so interesting that you found yourself able to experience lucid dreaming once your body had rid itself of THC, but also after you had opened up the doors to the psilocybin world. I think that in my case I was also able to swim around and experiment with the dream state and REM mode as a result of psychedelic voyages. It's not a realm that I frequent but I feel like once the doors were opened, I was able to access a much fuller understanding of the abstract corners of the mind.

    I've found my dream journal really useful in working out conflicts as I'm actually documenting my dreams. They don't seem to make sense until I'm writing them down and then suddenly I'm aware of a metaphor or interpretation as I'm downloading it from my mind.

    After reading this post and the comments I'm motivated to take a step and try to navigate the lucid waters!

    Scrobz     Wed, Dec 24, 2008  Permanent link
    Dream-Recorder

    useful

    and some exercises from a book I am currently reading:

    Inducing the possibility of lucid dreaming by comparing to a presumably more familiar state of consciousness: the one you are in right now.

    Exercise:
    Your present state of consciousness



    • Look: Become aware of what you see: notice the richly varied and vivid impressions - shapes, colors, movement, dimensionality, the entire visible world.

    • Listen: Become aware of what you hear: register the various sounds taken in by your ears - a diverse range of intensities, pitches, and tonal qualities, perhaps including the commonplace miracle of speech or the wonder of music.

    • Feel: Become aware of what you touch: texture (smooth, rough, dry, sticky, or wet), weight (heavy, light, solid, or empty), pleasure, pain, heat and cold, and the rest. Also note how your body feels right now and compare that to the many other ways it feels at other times, tired or energetic, stiff or limber, painful or pleasant, and so on.

    • Taste: Become aware of what it is like to taste: taste a number of different foods and substances, or remember and vividly imagine their tastes.

    • Smell: Become aware of what you smell: the odor of warm bodies, earth, incense, smoke, perfume, coffee, onions, alcohol, and the sea. Remember and imagine as many of them as you can.

    • Breathing: Attend to your breathing. A moment ago you probably were not consciously aware of your breathing even though you have inhaled and exhaled fifty times while doing this exercise. Hold your breath for a few seconds. Let it out. Now take a deep breath. Notice that being conscience of your breathing allows you to alter it deliberately.

    • Emotions: Become aware of your feelings. Remember the differences between anger and joy, serenity and excitement, and as many other emotions as you care to feel. How real do emotions feel?

    • Thoughts: Become aware of your thoughts. What have you been thinking while doing this exercise? What are you thinking right now? How real do thoughts seem?
      "I": Become aware of the fact that your world always includes you. I see, I hear, I feel, I think, that is the basic fact of experience. You are not what you see, hear, think or feel; you have these experiences. Perhaps most essentially, you are who is aware. You are always at the center of your multidimensional universe of experience, but you are not always consciously aware of yourself. Briefly repeat the exercise with the following difference: At the same time you attend to each of the various aspects of your experience, be aware that is you who is noticing these things.

    • Awareness of awareness: Finally, become aware of your awareness. Normally, awareness focuses on objects outside ourselves, but it can itself be an object of awareness. In the light of ordinary experience, we seem to be distinct and limited centers of awareness, each alone in our inner worlds. In the light of eternity, mystics tell us, we are ultimately all one - the unlimited awareness that is the source of being. Here, experience cannot be adequately expressed by language.


    superconcepts     Wed, Jan 28, 2009  Permanent link
    I did it!

    I had my first successful lucid dream last night since trying to do them.

    It was using the Wake-up-back-to-sleep method, it happened in the morning after I had woken and I went back to sleep concerntrating on the fact that I would be dreaming. I was EXTREMELY tired, I'm not sure if this had anything to do with it but I certainly needed to dream.

    Once in the dream, I began flying. I felt energy coming out of my feet and propelling me. It was a phenomenal feeling.

    Also, although I definately knew I was dreaming because I've been trying to do this for so long, I had to "trick" my subconscious into ignoring the fact. Otherwise I may have woken up.

    This tricking of the subconscious, I believe is a big key. It's what gives children so much mind power. It's something I think we lose in adolescence, when they say we lose our innocence. As adults, it's much harder to lie to our own minds.
    wedz     Tue, Mar 17, 2009  Permanent link
    i'm french, i just read english so a dont speek but the referance are talking for me

    Carl Jung
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung_publications

    andre breton and the surrealisme
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Breton

    particulary about dream and bulshiting freud... you can read

    LES VASES COMMUNICANTS, 1932 - The Communicating Vessels
    or NADJA for begining

    enjoy

    mathematic     Mon, Jul 20, 2009  Permanent link
    I dont know if its in the "lucid dream" category but there have been times where i would be dreaming and I would wake up. Then i would go right back to sleep and start the dream off where i had woken up. Its almost like reading a book or pausing a movie to take quick break and start back where you left off. I always thought that it was strange....
     
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