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    Brief Inquiry into Vice, Balance, Motion
    Why is Nature predisposed to indulging in vices? We hold on to that which gives us pleasure, even though it subtracts from our physical life. A system seeking life most pertinently would not engage in activities that negate it, so life doesn't seem to be the top priority for our system. In looking to Physics for an answer, it's deductible that the pleasure vice grants is actually excitement, which is energy — motion.
    That means that vice puts the system into a state of instability; why would we seek instability? Instability, as the motion of energy as physical matter, is simply energy transfer, meaning that energy cannot be concentrated in one place for too long. If energy is concentrated, it "brews", it creates an extremely volatile center which is another kind of instability. Therefore, is it possible to say that instability cures instability? That there is no stagnant state of balance, only ever a balancing act. There must always be motion within our Universe system.

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         Sun, Feb 13, 2011  Permanent link
    Got any thoughts on these ideas? 
    Wildcat     Mon, Feb 14, 2011  Permanent link
    dmitri, funny you should mention the Hedonistic imperative as David Pearce is the subject of my next essay and interview, a very interesting and fascinating person, which I recently met and liked much.
    rene     Mon, Feb 14, 2011  Permanent link
    Wildcat, I'm very much looking forward to your essay and interview with David Pearce.
         Mon, Feb 14, 2011  Permanent link
    Hahaha that's so awesome! I used to talk to the guy a bit on facebook until I made the decision to remove that from my life. I actually invited him to spacecollective a while ago too! 
    Autotelic     Mon, Feb 14, 2011  Permanent link
    will AI seek vices? ive often wondered whether future AI systems will seek out "viruses" to alter their programmed reality in the same way we seek out vices such as drugs and alcohol to "alter" our reality (even when they subtract from our physical life)
    Olena     Tue, Feb 15, 2011  Permanent link
    Thanks for the link, Dmitri.

    Interesting, I only read the intro, I think this is not necessarily "impossible" in the traditional sense, but something more like inconsiderately "Utopian".

    Seemingly he's looking at these "ills" as negatives from a human perspective, without much insight into the larger system, which is what I'm addressing. There's nothing more than immediate about alleviating the "suffering" he's talking about.

    "Why does suffering exist? The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved only because they served the inclusive fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment"

    I don't think that's all. "Suffering" is a part of balance, which we've observed to be necessary on various scientific scales, even the spiritual (Taijitu). What he calls suffering is a reaction by a set of atoms to another set of atoms; it's an off-set, a weight on the see-saw.

    We may or may not be able to be rid of it, but I think that imbalance would come around to greet us (us? or out cyborg children?) in some other manner, just because it's apparently ingrained into the way things work around here.

         Thu, Feb 17, 2011  Permanent link Maybe check this when you got the time instead.

    I've also related the ideas that David Pearce has come up with to what this guy has to say:

    (PS is it just me or are links messing up a lot lately? I just had to wrap that first one in an href tag cause the url by itself didnt automatically become a link, it seems like I've been doing that a few times more than I'm used to on this site lately)
    Olena     Thu, Feb 17, 2011  Permanent link
    Thanks dmitri, I'll check those out!

    Man I have about an hour's worth of videos from SC to watch now... this place is dangerous in regards to consumption levels vs sleep hours :/

    Maybe I shouldn't say anything before I read, but "happiness" automatically makes me wonder about all this because, again, it's one side of what I see to be a necessary balance. There's SO much out there right now about "how to be happy", it's in our freaking Constitution that we should pursue it... but it's such a construction. To the point where it's easy to feel guilty if you're not happy all the time. Or most of it. There was something I was reading recently about how we place so much value on happiness at the political level — how a country looks if its people are/are not happy. It's become more important than what's actually going on; it's more important to convey "happiness" by any means necessary than to expose something ugly but true. It's like the father who refuses to communicate in favor of giving the family a sense of security and project a certain image of his family for his neighbors, regardless of whether that's all BS. It's important for the network [community, then], right?

    Anyway... I'm definitely interested in cyborgian ideas, regardless. Fascinating stuff.