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Xárene Eskandar
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    What is I?
    What is the self to be aware of it? Are the mind and the self the same thing? Does the self exist in the mind? Or is the mind occupying the self?

    Doesn't the self pertain to our body in its material surroundings? Isn't the self the manifestation of our behaviours which are merely the result of our environment? Makes me think of a 'bad seed' or other similar sayings of the traits of a person. Are the characteristics of the self passed from parent to child? Then is the self an ever changing physical thing because it has physical repercussions? What about when we say 'change my mind'?

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    After brain damage, many have been recorded to have taken on a new personality, 'he was not himself anymore...'. What is our measure for gauging the change of the himself? Taken out of the context of the world we are familiar with, what does it mean to say oneself, herself, himself or myself? Does the self matter without the body? No body, no hurting yourself.
    Without: Latin sed

    The mind is aware of the self, but it is not self-aware as we would say we are [physically] self-aware. The mind is, however, self-conscious as it knows of its existence.
    Self, own, onself: Latin sui

    sui sed

    Are we gone for good without our self?

    Fri, May 25, 2007  Permanent link
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    folkert     Tue, Jun 5, 2007  Permanent link
    And there you have it—the great mystery, questioning itself. Nice line-up of strange loops of infuriatingly circular logic. I think I can asnwer some of these, but then again, that's a contradiction already. Syntax is awesome. "Isn't the self the manifestation of our behaviours which are merely the result of our environment?"—I think so, but, this environment can also be entirely created by the self. SpaceCollective is one such example. This puts you back at the chicken. (basically, I have no idea.)
    Xarene     Wed, Jun 6, 2007  Permanent link
    Yes, the environment (call it a siteGins and Arakawa) is perceived by the self. The perceptual site is the initiating site of all sites (house, room, sofa). Nothing happens without kinesthetic instigation, therefore no site will exist without a body. Surroundings need to be defined with bodies moving within them. Temporal flow pre-exists space.

    The body is also sited. The body, being a site, is non existent without kinesthetic instigation, making the space/site of the body obsolete because it is the result of a pre-existing event. But what is the source of events which site the body? Its not a circling... it is looking deeper within each element which contains another and another and...

    The I is an organism that behaves as a person (think of it as "I _____" (fill the blank with things persons do like read, run...)). Organisms deploy; persons ascribe. I think I can say that the organism deploys the person in order to ascribe. Ascribing and selfing are taking ownership, therefore the organism that ascribes through the person, creates the self and becomes the self. The self is the I ?!

    The I can land on any site, not just the body. The body is enslaved by the I. The I is shapeless but helps define the shape of the world. (Yes, just like SpaceCollective. It is a perceived site.) Sites are not constructions but possibilities.

    This is all tentative.
     
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