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Alborz Kamalizad (M)
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An artist has got to be careful never really to arrive at a place where he thinks he's at somewhere. You always have to realize that you're constantly in the state of becoming. ~ Bob Dylan
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    Head, Shoulders, Knees and Mind
    There's been a lot of discussion on the mind/body relationship. Below are my newest thoughts and a few quotes from fellow space collectors.

    Al:

    Superfamous:
    Human activity has drastically changed over a relatively short period of time, causing much of the current shape of our bodies to be inconveniently outdated.


    Megan:
    ...the human body isn't going anywhere. those nearly drug-induced states that flood your person on ocassion, those are compliments of the complex interaction between body and mind...


    Xárene:
    I am resolved that the body is enslaved by the mind in order to advance its purposes. [...] Does the mind need a physical connection to the environment it occupies? Will it always need a body?


    How about a discussion project to help make up our minds/bodies on the subject?

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    folkert     Mon, Jul 16, 2007  Permanent link
    awesome
    Xarene     Tue, Jul 17, 2007  Permanent link
    They've lost their minds...!
    folkert     Tue, Jul 17, 2007  Permanent link
    I call these leftovers, ships without captains. Where did their heads take off to?
    alborz     Tue, Jul 17, 2007  Permanent link
    Actually these are highly evolved humans. They realized that the mind is merely an evolutionary tool - a method matter uses to evolve. Basically, the body uses the mind to sustain itself - get it food, keep it safe, etc. But it's not the only tool possible - so they did away with it and are exploring alternatives.
    folkert     Tue, Jul 17, 2007  Permanent link
    Ok you got me there, will there be a title?
    Xarene     Tue, Jul 17, 2007  Permanent link
    You mean "will there be a heading"?
    folkert     Tue, Jul 17, 2007  Permanent link
    Damn can't believe I missed that one. Yeah that's what I meant.
    meganmay     Thu, Aug 2, 2007  Permanent link
    ok, so lets imagine tomorrow we could rid ourselves of these outdated, eating, sweating, lusting, farting flesh bags by downloading our minds to a chip, or some other more advanced form of electronic storage. there, our mind could exist for all of time, and other minds who've undergone the same downloading procedure could plug in and we could assimilate each others knowledge at the speed of light.
    better yet, imagine if every mind on the planet were downloaded and interconnected so as to create a supermind, whose knowledge base far exceeded that of our individual minds, and which could transmit any and all information to and from any point within its complex network, like rapid-fire synapses.
    This disembodied supermind would be the sum total of all human intelligence, an unparalleled triumph over the human body...but how would it ever get smarter?
    Funnily enough, this would be the stupidest superintelligence of all time if there were no way for it to receive input from the world and continuously learn from it.
    maybe we never wanted a planetary supermind to begin with, but the point is, we'll need some sort of input, be it flesh based or not, to feed our minds.
    how would we imagine a new input system that allows us to obtain knowledge at an equivilent or superior quality as the first 5 we know so well? would we maintain all five? omit one? or decide we wanted to add xray, infared, and/or night vision? how would tampering with our perceptive abilities change our cognitive capacity?
    3LSZVJA9     Thu, Dec 13, 2007  Permanent link
    Consciousness could also be a coordination of many different self-perceptions, being (the consciousness) higher when the number and diversity of types of self perceptions (if there can be types) that get coordinated is bigger, and lower when it's smaller. Theoretically we know our five senses quite well (quite), but it´s also possible that we'll never know if we know or not how the different types of languages that interconnect work and what they connect and how.
    Maybe consciousness is not that easy to reproduce. And maybe ther is no mind/body relationship at all.

    Excuse my ignorance because I can´t distinguish it from my knowledge.

    Even so, I have a question that I often like to propose.

    What are exactly the differences between body and emotion?

    I said this outloud originally in Portuguese.

    Qual é exatamente a differença entre corpo e emoção?

    In spanish it would sound more or less like,

    Cual sería exactamente la diferencia entre cuerpo y emoción?


    And another question that just popped back into my mind.


    When will the artificial minds be able to develop their own system of representations?

    Will the artificial minds need one of their own?

    Or it´s just another obsolete limb to be left behind?

    And one more question that I read today, I´m sorry to be taking so much space,

    When it´s all over for us, will it be the capital that will continue to dominate?

    And maybe it´s not about the intensity of the sensitivity of separated groups of tissues and the connectivity of sections of the brain.

    And perhaps farting, eating, sweating and having sex is also necessary to discover the structure of d.n.a or the unified field theory, for example.

    Still untrusty but playing along,

    Andrés.



    meika     Sun, Jan 20, 2008  Permanent link
    I predict that the singularity will take off when our bodies enter the technology, our logic is already there, but it's not enough.
    Rourke     Sun, Jan 20, 2008  Permanent link
    A word everyone should use when talking about this topic is Proprioception

    It's the truest sixth sense that we all possess
    3LSZVJA9     Sun, Jan 20, 2008  Permanent link
    Proprioception and self perception are synonyms?

    Obvious,

    what's the difference between body and emotion?
    Xarene     Sun, Jan 20, 2008  Permanent link
    3LSZVJA9:
    I wouldn't say they are synonyms. Self-perception is an attitude which develops about oneself based on one's surroundings, peers, self-esteem and what not. Proprioception is the awareness of the body without one being mentally aware of it.

    I think one may affect the other—probably self-perception affecting proprioception, ie, let's assume I have a totally messed up perception of my image and I think my left eye is smaller than my right. This self-perception could impair my proprioception in that I have this gnawing feeling that my two eyes feel different from each other. (Just imagining this example is making me aware of my eyes, the movement of my eyeballs and my frequency of blinking. So annoying.) That's proprioception: feeling things you normally are not aware of in relation to your body—phantom limb is a good example in Wikipedia—or becoming aware of involuntary actions of your body. In self-perception you are also aware of things that may or may not exist, but you develop an attitude or opinion about them and voluntarily act on them.

    The body-emotion-difference question you've asked twice... You can read my post and see if you can find your answer.
    meganmay     Wed, Jul 23, 2008  Permanent link
    My interest in this thread was renewed the other day when i started reading about how teleportation will work. Yes yes, so Star Trek, i know, BUT it presents a very interesting perspective on the body and mind as essentially just a summation of atoms which can potentially be disassembled, transported, and reassembled with every emoto-physical characteristic intact. In one sense, it makes the mind body problem irrelevant, everything is contained in the smallest particles, mind is matter and matter is mind. And in another, it makes matter seem almost immaterial almost virtual in and of itself. The difficulty with human teleportation of course, it that, the position of every atom would have to be stored and the collection of atoms would have to reassemble themselves perfectly, lest the traveller arrive on the other end as damaged goods just as the original copy was being destroyed. Tricky business, but worthwhile thought experiment.
     
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