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    why & how do we still live in a society where an individual cannot do whatever he wants provided he does not harm anyone else?

    Wed, May 26, 2010  Permanent link

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    Infinitas     Thu, May 27, 2010  Permanent link
    The government lives in fear of what people are actually capable of so they want to control everything. Government is growing so much and is controlling more aspects of our lives (it's borderline mind-control) through the media and ridiculous regulations of practically everything. They think they know what's best for the people...which is outrageous because I'm the only one who knows what's best for me; give me some suggestions and a choice, but do not force me. Sure, there are people that don't know shit and need to be led, but that's because the government more or less put them into positions where they can't help themselves.

    Unfortunately, the government's role has changed from the servants of the people to the rulers of the people, and it has all happened right underneath our noses.

    But that's not to say I'm pessimistic about our situation. Once the Sun fries all of our satellites or some equivalent "catastrophe" occurs that forces the government to act in an even more controlling way (dictatorship, martial law, etc), only then will the people wake up and find the opportunity to save humanity.
    dragon     Sat, May 29, 2010  Permanent link
    And here I was thinking it was just me and the other conspiracy nuts who had a bone to pick with the established order! I think it's of the utmost importance that we are at all times aware of what it is we are capable of doing. Because, undeniably, that is scary. The Government has every right to be scared shitless into controlling everything. But yeah, as you've said and I paraphrase, they're putting us slowly into cages, and backed into a corner we no longer have flight as an option.

    Anarchy almost seems like the natural world order.
    meganmay     Sat, May 29, 2010  Permanent link
    I just read that more pedestrians die in crosswalks than when jay-walking.
    Schmuck     Sat, May 29, 2010  Permanent link
    An interesting way to look at it is that the government, while seeming like a huge entity, is just people.
    We have as much capability as they do. "Government" is just a label put around a group of completely equivalent people to give the illusion of dominance and power, and for the most part, it works.
    We're subtly conditioned to accept things as "the way it is", to submit to the established order as though it was a force of nature.
    That acceptance from the people is what every established governance relies on, and they enforce it through things like military strength, media, even voting, to give you the illusion that it is you who controls.
    In truth, all of these things are dependent on people, and when you realize that everything the government needs to exist is separate from them, you see that it is the government that is irrelevant and not the individual.

    And so the reason we still live in a society where an individual cannot do whatever he wants, is because this very notion must be suppressed in any way possible in order for this system to perpetuate itself.
    dragon     Sun, May 30, 2010  Permanent link
    I think the problem is very simple.

    A: Hey, do you want to be free?
    B: Of course!
    A: Then I have to take away some of your freedoms. There are some things you just can't do, if you want to live freely that is anyway. That's what freedom really means. I know it's hard to understand.
    B: But why?
    A: Because otherwise I might lose the freedom to take your freedoms away.
    B: Oh, that makes perfect sense.
    Infinitas     Tue, Jun 1, 2010  Permanent link
    One of my favorites quotes from Ben Franklin.

    "He who gives up freedom in order to gain security deserves neither and loses both."