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    Statistically inputs and outputs to neurons subconsciously without extra hardware.

    A neuron is a brain cell that connects to thousands of other neurons and slowly adjusts its electricity and chemical patterns as it learns.

    An incorrect assumption has extremely delayed the creation of technology that transfers thoughts between 2 brains. That assumption is, to quickly transfer large amounts of information between a brain and a computer, you need hardware that connects directly to neurons.

    Eyes and ears transfer a lot of information to a brain, but the other part of that assumption is eyes and ears are only useful for pictures and sounds that make sense and do not appear as complete randomness or whitenoise. People assume anything that sounds like radio static (a typical random sound) can't be used to transfer useful information into a brain.

    Most of us remember what a dial-up-modem sounds like. It sounds like information is in it but its too fast for Humans to understand. That's true of the dial-up-modem sound only because its digital and is designed for a modem instead of for Human ears which can hear around 1500 tones and simultaneously a volume for each. The dial-up-modem can only hear 1 tone that oscillates between 1 and 0, and no volume, just 1 or 0. It gets 56000 of those 1s and 0s per second. Human ears are analog so they have no such limits, but brains can think at most at 100 changes per second.

    If volume can have 20 different values per tone, then Human ears can hear up to 1500*100*log_base_2(20)=650000 bits of information per second. If you could take full advantage of that speed, you could transfer a book every few seconds into your brain, but the next bottleneck is your ability to think that fast.

    If you use ears the same way dial-up-modems use a phone line, but in a way designed for Human ears and Human brains instead of computers, then your ears are much faster data transfer devices than brain implants, and the same is true for transferring information as random-appearing grids of changing colors through your eyes. We have computer speakers and screens for input to brains. We still have some work to do on the output speeds of mouse and keyboard, but there are electricity devices you can wear on your head for the output direction. For the input direction, eyes and ears are currently far ahead of the most advanced technology in their data speeds to your brain.

    So why do businesses and governments keep throwing huge amounts of money at connecting computer chips directly to neurons? They should learn to use eyes and ears to their full potential before putting so much resources into higher bandwidth connections to brains. They're not nearly using the bandwidth they already have to brains.

    Intuitively most people know how music can affect their subconscious thoughts. Music is a low bandwidth example. It has mostly predictable and repeated sounds. The same voices. The same instruments. What I'm talking about would sound more like radio static or whitenoise. You wouldn't know what information is in it from its sound. You would only understand it after it echoed around your neuron electricity patterns in subconscious ways.

    Most people have only a normal computer available, so the brain-to-computer direction of information flow has to be low bandwidth. It can be mouse movements, gyroscope based game controllers, video camera detecting motion, or devices like that. The computer-to-brain direction can be high bandwidth, able to transfer information faster than you can think about it.

    Why hasn't this been tried? Because science proceeds in small steps. This is a big step from existing technology but a small step in the way most people already have the hardware (screen, speakers, mouse, etc). The big step is going from patterns of random-appearing sounds or video to subconscious thoughts to mouse movements to software to interpret it statistically, and around that loop many times as the Human and computer learn to predict each other. Compared to that, connecting a chip directly to neurons is a small step.

    Its a feedback loop: computer, random-appearing sound or video, ears or eyes, brain, mouse movements, and back to computer. Its very indirect but uses hardware that has evolved for millions of years, compared to low-bandwidth hardware they implant in brains. Eyes and ears are much higher bandwidth, and we should be using them in feedback loops for brain-to-brain and brain-to-computer communication.

    What would it feel like? You would move the mouse and instantly hear the sounds change based on how you moved it. You would feel around the sound space for abstract patterns of information you're looking for, and you would learn to find it. When many people are connected this way through the internet, using only mouse movements and abstract random-like sounds instead of words and pictures, thoughts will flow between the brains of different people, thoughts that they don't know how to put into words. They would gradually learn to think more as 1 mind. Brains naturally learn to communicate with any system connected to them. Brains dont care how they're connected. They grow into a larger mind. It happens between the parts of your brain, and it will happen between people using this system through the internet.

    Artificial intelligence software does not have to replace us or compete with us. The best way to use it is to connect our minds together. It can be done through brain implants, but why wait for that technology to advance and become cheap and safe enough? All you need is a normal computer and the software to connect our subconscious thoughts and statistical patterns of interaction with the computer.

    Dial-up-modem sounds were designed for computers. These interactive sounds/videos would be designed for Human ears/eyes and the slower but much bigger and parallel way the data goes into brains. For years I've been carefully designing a free open-source software  (Human and Artificial Intelligence Network, or Human AI Net) to make this work. It will be a software that does for Human brains what dial-up-modems do for computers, and it will sound a little like a dial-up-modem at first but start to sound like music when you learn how to use it. I don't need brain implants to flow subconscious thoughts between your brains over internet wires.

    Intelligence is the most powerful thing we know of. The brain implants are simply overkill, even if they become advanced enough to do what I'll use software and psychology to do. We can network our minds together and amplify intelligence and share thoughts without extra hardware. After thats working, we can go straight to quantum devices for accessing brains without implants. Lets do this through software and skip the brain implant paradigm. If it works just a little, it will be enough that our combined minds will figure out how to make it work a lot more. Thats how I prefer to start a  We don't need businesses and militaries to do it first. We have the hardware on our desks. We're only missing the software. It doesn't have to be smarter than Human software. It just has to be smart enough to connect our subconscious thoughts together. The authorities have their own ideas about how we should communicate and how our minds should be allowed to think together, but their technology was obsolete before it was created. We can do everything they can do without brain implants, using only software and subconscious psychology. We don't need a smarter-than-Human software, or anything nearly that advanced, to create a technology singularity. Who wants to help me change the direction of Human evolution using an open-source (GNU GPL) software? Really, you can create a technology singularity starting from a software with the intelligence of a parrot, as long as you use it to connect Human minds together.
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    How to get your consciousness into your duplicate? "Uploading" is what its called, but does it leave you as you are and let your copy live on? Here's a solution:

    This includes medical technology that does not exist yet. Its more of a thought experiment about consciousness being in 2 places at once.

    We know that a person can live with either half of their brain dead, therefore consciousness is in each half of the brain, and probably can be divided more and still be in each part.

    We know brain parts will automatically wire together. They'll even wire to a computer if done the right way. After wiring together, the brain parts start to think together. They redundantly copy their information between the different parts, often in ways specialized to each part, but still redundantly copied (many backups).

    After you grow the clone, do a half brain transplant between you and your clone, so each has half of the original brain and half of the cloned brain. Then you are equally in 2 Human bodies. Each body has most of your memories, and the cloned brain half will learn from the original brain half. Eventually the 2 Human bodies both think like you with both brain halfs.

    What would you experience then? Would you be in 2 places at once? Your original brain is in 2 bodies that have mostly the same memories and thought patterns.

    What if instead of a clone, the other brain (which you get half of 2 times) was a Human level artificial intelligence that duplicated the behaviors of each half of your original brain? Being in 2 bodies each with half your original brain and a computer half that duplicates your original brain half, what would you experience? Would you know the difference? Would half your brain be conscious and the computer part not? How can it be different if both bodies are you and both have the same behaviors, even though one has your Human left brain and the other has your Human right brain?

    Don't think its possible? My father had a series of strokes a few years ago which killed most of the left side of his brain. He was in a bed for those few years before he died. Mostly he could only move and feel on his left side. His remaining half of brain started taking over the functions of the other side of the body a little but it never allowed him more than 10% his original movement on that side. He was mostly the same person but with some memories and speaking skill gone. Brains store things very redundantly so having half a brain lets you keep most of your thoughts.

    For the religious people who think there is 1 soul to 1 body, I have this question: If you swap brain halfs with an other person, is your soul in 2 bodies at once? And what if 1 was a murderer and the other a saint? Where does the mix go? My answer to these questions is that there is no such thing as an individual unit of consciousness, just an ocean of it and I'm a drop.
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    Whats really happening overall? Details like disagreements between countries are not important enough for this thread. Politicians and rich people and almost every organization on this planet are each distracted with their own goals. Somebody has to understand the whole system a little, just a summary, not a lot of information but the correct information.

    Every problem looks too hard to solve if you don't understand the summary. Before there were airplanes, people thought building them would be too hard because of how hard it is to flap your arms. Completely unrelated to the actual solution.

    Most people think it will be some huge time (maybe next century) before certain technology is invented or certain global problems are solved. They talk about the history of repeated failure and slow progress. The way those people do things, they would be right, but I have no reason to use the strategies (which I will explain below) of people who expect to fail. They didn't understand the problems, so they didn't find the solutions. They thought there were too many problems to take the time to understand the summary.

    I'll explain a few important patterns I've seen repeated all over the Earth and what they appear to be leading to. Then I'm asking you to fill in the patterns I've not noticed and what they lead to, and most importantly, what all the patterns do together...

    * Money is not a stable system. The economy laws are changed faster than anyone can read them. As  says it, money is a game where you're not allowed to know the rules. What do we do when playing cards and an other player tries to change the rules after we've already put our bet on the table? Certainly not ask for his economic predictions based on the new rules.  is a cycle involving laws, propaganda, and money which continuously increases military technology and wars.

    * Most people have really insane priorities, like arriving at work on time and buying junk to put in their house, instead of avoiding their own death and simultaneously extinction of the Human species (which some of them think is less important than their own death, not understanding that extinction kills them too). Just 2 years ago I was asked on a voting paper if I wanted to take away some rights from gays. Is that really what we should be spending time voting on? How about not dying? I hear theres many millions of people dying from extremely simple problems to solve, like not getting bitten by a certain flying insect. How did that get below "Where a man sticks his dick" on the priority list to vote on? The most insane people will never admit they are insane. The average person is dangerously insane, preferring to buy health insurance instead of do things to avoid their own death (and extinction).

    * The most powerful politicians and rich people decide how to change the world in secret. They use excuses like "national security" and "We have too much paperwork and complication in the system to answer that question." What the puppet masters really mean is we haven't made them think they will lose enough money etc if they do not answer our questions.

    * Regardless of what they say, the ACTIONS of most businesses demonstrate that the main reason they avoid damaging the environment and hurting people is to make more money, which includes people thinking good things about them and not getting sued or paying fines. They calculate statistics on how many people their products or actions will directly hurt on average and compare that to the statistics on how many of those things can be proven and the cost of getting sued for it and the reduction in sales that would result if people knew they intentionally sacrificed their customer's safety or the environment etc to make more money. The world would run much more efficiently if we stopped regulating ACTIONS and started regulating the REASONS for those actions. For example, if a business calculates that 1 more person should die on average so they can make X amount more money, then that sounds like premeditated murder to me. We already have a law for that. More about specific numbers for X at

    * Intellectual Property is where you can have original ideas and somebody else owns them because they already claimed all possible ways to solve a certain problem which you were trying to solve on your own. Intellectual property does other things too, but they're unimportant things involving making people rich based on the past. I'm interested in the present and the future. The important thing about Intellectual Property is what its becoming: It gets stronger every year, claiming ownership of more things or in more ways. One way to change that is

    * The complexity of the economy and governments and most organizations are increasing exponentially to handle the exponential complexity of the other systems, which will do the same thing as money: destabilize and destroy itself, if it continues as it has been for many years.

    * There are much more than enough computers to simulate a Human brain, and there are machines accurate enough to create any DNA they want. To the scientists surprise, direct access to those things was not followed by understanding them or learning how to use them much. Life is much more complex than they thought, and they still haven't used simple things like a computer mouse to its full potential yet. Those in power are using brain-computer-interfaces for the only thing they know how to do: controlling and standardizing people. Why send a soldier into battle when he can control a robot to kill for him? Why do you need people at all? Let's just learn how brains work then build robots to kill other robots. Brain-computer-interfaces are going to change lots of things, and most people still think its science-fiction... and they'll keep thinking that until its in electronics stores. Maybe brains aren't all that great. Brains didn't help them predict what will be in the electronics stores or avoid the dangers of it.

    * Some technology advances exponentially, while other technology gets more complicated and just a little more advanced slowly. Cell phones are really primitive compared to what they could be, because of Intellectual Property causing "incompatibility wars". Most technology is designed to keep people down and control them, and get them to pay for small reductions in such oppression. There are many laws preventing me from putting up my own cell phone network without any proprietary junk in it. Why is that? It's not hard to build a wireless device with a screen and some buttons and a microphone and a speaker, but building it and making it work on a global scale isn't the hard part. The hard part is getting permission from those in power. Despite the forces against technology advancing, some of it is advancing faster than anyone can keep up with, and its not going to stop. Could this be an other thing that's more important than voting on where people stick their dick? Have you noticed there are automated flying machines and robots that walk? Just don't call it a "terminator" and we'll be ok. It can only hold a gun if programmed to, and  would never do that. It would be more efficient to build the guns into the body of the robots, leaving their hands free. If you think walking robots are scary, you might not want to look into what I'm building. It's more like Star Trek's Borg Collective but without the medical implants and mind control, just through psychology software. The interaction between money and technology is dangerous and feeds the war machine, which brings me to the next important pattern: Open-source software.

    * Open-source software. Businesses and governments and lots of others use the strategy of building something that costs them almost nothing to operate or duplicate, using the law to prevent anyone else from using that very effective solution, getting you dependent on it, then raising the price and using it to get you dependent on more things, in an endless cycle of exploiting and deceiving people. Many computer programmers had enough of that and formed some strategies together that have now become so strong that it can be debated which of proprietary or open-source software is more advanced. But with so much advertising, its hard for people to find the open-source alternatives. Open-source means you can build more programs with it, that you have the legal and technical ability to do that. Some open-source licenses require that you can only build open-source software with it, which is called a "viral license" (GNU GPL mostly), and that has been the most effective. There are at least 50000 softwares like that, and businesses are finding it harder to compete with people who have much less resources and mostly have the advantage that they decided to work together instead of what businesses normally do. There are open-source-like things too, including text and music and hardware which the creators chose not to patent or enforce Intellectual Property in certain ways. Open-source will continue to get stronger, and there is nothing those in power can do about it.

    * Physics knowledge is increasing quickly. Parallel realities have been detected at the small scale, like in double-slit and half-mirror experiments with lasers, and other experiments with small things. DNA can be built instead of randomly put together. All of this is connected to the exponentially increasing technology. Some researchers like at  take things seriously that were previously thought of as superstition or paranormal. Just because something is not well understood or has been faked by lots of people does not mean it can not be understood through enough experiments. We're probably closer than most people think to 1 equation that can calculate all of physics and explain what consciousness is and how to create more of it and use it, to build machines that make mass and energy do whatever we want it to do. Physics is about accuracy, not throwing more money and brute-force strategies at it. Don't forget there are already enough nuclear weapons to explode the whole surface of the Earth. What I described isn't that much more advanced.

    * Social networks and other forms of emergent organization are increasing quickly. People are learning to interact in groups in ways never before done in history, resulting in building more advanced things and finding more complex solutions. Voting isn't just for laws anymore. Its for organizing information between people. On average, businesses are becoming less hierarchy and more peer-to-peer, a little. Most people know voting in elections has little effect, but they make things happen through these new organizations made possible through phones and the internet etc. This will continue to increase and have few bad effects, but those in power will eventually see that its incompatible with them staying in power and will resist indirectly and secretly. For example, they may resist by claiming Intellectual Property ownership of new kinds of communication or ways of organizing people, or make laws saying the only way to do it is through their systems. Social networks and emergent ways of organizing people are more powerful than those who appear to have power now.

    Overall I expect the Human species will either destroy itself in World War 3 OR learn to increase their own intelligence and learn to think with computers and each other more as 1 mind. I expect we'll be mass-producing faster than light starships around the year 2040, if we're not dead. But first we need to understand the SUMMARY of whats happening on Earth so we can choose efficient strategies. If I didn't think it could be done, I wouldn't waste my time trying. I play to win.

    Please reply with the summary of whats really happening on Earth, only the most important patterns, where they lead, and what we might do about it. Too many people get stuck on the details.
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