feanne     Wed, Dec 12, 2007  Permanent link
Personally I don't think so, because people will always have their differences— complete global peace is a utopian vision.

However that shouldn't stop us from trying to achieve world peace anyway! :) The struggle is still worth it.
TheJehosephat     Wed, Dec 12, 2007  Permanent link
So the struggle is worth it, even though it is impossible to get there? If I were following a scientific train of thought... I'd say that would be moronic. But I'm open minded. I think the idea of constantly trying to achieve peace is great, but with all this "trying" people are getting hurt. Do you think there is a point at which the amount of negative things outweighs the (impossible) peace that we are striving for?
feanne     Wed, Dec 12, 2007  Permanent link
Well it's like how we can't possibly know everything, but we try anyway. Science is constantly improving itself.

Maybe it depends on the kind of "trying". Some people do the "war for peace" way which I think is pretty ironic.

A lot also depends on semantics. Define peace? Define trying to achieve peace? Some might think peace = no conflict which is kinda true but that could lead to a dictatorship / authoritarian system... wherein nobody "fights" but you know, nobody is really happy. (To me that doesn't define peace.) Which also brings up another thing, there are two kinds of freedom: 'freedom to' and 'freedom from'.

To me, striving for peace involves practicing peace, I do not believe in "war for peace". So I do not see how my idea of striving for peace would bring about such negative effects. :)

Another thing is— following logic this time— if we don't struggle for peace, if we just give up, then what would be the effects of that? If it meant that we'd just give in to violence and conflict, then wouldn't that be much worse?
jTp     Wed, Dec 12, 2007  Permanent link
This is a great question! But I think the term "peace" is relative. Will humans ever live together in complete harmony? I think it's possible, but would require big leaps of evolution. We must move away from iron age thinking of tribalism—ie..."them vs. us."
I don't see that happening anytime in our lifetime....
TheJehosephat     Wed, Dec 12, 2007  Permanent link
feanne: Thanks for clarifying on your "struggling for peace" comment. It's hard to tell what people think that means these days. On the subject of giving up... maybe giving up would be no one interfering with other peoples affairs. I'm not saying I'd like that to happen, but maybe that is a different form of giving up on peace; isolating yourself from the world.

jTp: You have a great outlook on the future. And I hope that this is true, but right now it sure doesn't appear that way. Like you said, I don't think it will be happening in our lifetime.
aaron kinney     Wed, Dec 12, 2007  Permanent link
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, we will know peace
- Jimi Hendrix

If we want peace on Earth, electing Ron Paul in 2008 would be a step in the right direction. But more importantly, we need to become post-religion and post-politics if we hope to achieve peace. I wrote about this very issue recetly. Check out my own post "SpaceCollective and Anarchy: A Perfect Match"
TheJehosephat     Wed, Dec 12, 2007  Permanent link
I agree on a lot of your comments on Anarchy, but am sadly not in line on the religion. I don't want to start a giant debate on religion here because enough people try to start that with me in real life. But I just want to say that not all religious types are stopping peace from happening. I believe myself to be quaker, and in many ways this train of thought promotes the Anarchy that you are talking about. No one is better enough than anyone else to be leading them toward a certain political, theological or philosophical train of thought. But as much as I am religious, I understand just as much of the statement you are making. And I believe that even if there are still religions in the future, at least they should all try and understand each other a little more.

(nice quote by the way)
feanne     Thu, Dec 13, 2007  Permanent link
Agree— awesome awesome quote!