gamma     Tue, May 19, 2009  Permanent link
Welcome to the world's best forum. My name from the future is Gamma Tereshchenko (same as in Second Life). I just finished watching Jon Stewart, comedian on The Daily Show. His guest was a fine lady, driver of Indy 500 car. Coincidentally, she mentioned a brief factoid that would be a real killer for the study of critical phenomena. Chaos theory is grossly universal, so it may apply for your exploration of free will and social dynamics. Listen to this. Her fastest speed on a straight road driving solo is 227 mph. However, if she is driving along side or to the back of few other cars, they might reach greater speed due to improved aerodynamics. Pile-ups therefore, have the potential to blow up into swift change of speed.
Steven Beckmann     Tue, May 19, 2009  Permanent link
Welcome to the collective, I am new as well :-]
collective matt     Wed, May 20, 2009  Permanent link
Welcome, I just joined the space collective myself.

On free will:

I have always felt that the universe in which we currently reside is deterministic, and despite the illusion of free will, what will be has already been determined.


The many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics opens the possibility of the multi verse. I believe that through this interpretation free will once again gains importance. The universe as we currently perceive is deterministic, yet we have free will over how we wish to perceive. Through perception we manifest free will, as we traverse through the multi verse we must choose where to look, what to perceive, and which "path" to follow. Schrödinger's cat shows that not only does what we see occur, but every possible alternative occurs as well. We simply choose to believe whether or not the cat is alive, and this choice of belief manifests itself as free will and defines reality. To the all seeing observer free will is meaningless, because one can already experience every possible choice, and it is meaningless to choose something that is entirely deterministic.

The Mandelbrot set is a good example of the illusion of free will. The set exists as is, yet one can make an infinite number of observations, an infinite amount of perceptions of detail. One can only choose where to look, and will never run out of detail to perceive.

Free will may not technically exist, but something spiritual inside believes that it must exist.
SAILOR     Wed, May 20, 2009  Permanent link
Welcome to the collective,welcome to the thinking universe,we all begin new at some point but our development affects us as a whole.

gamma     Wed, May 20, 2009  Permanent link

The Mandelbrot set is a good example of the illusion of free will. The set exists as is, yet one can make an infinite number of observations, an infinite amount of perceptions of detail.

Fractals are hiding in the functioning of brain. They are especially pretty as geometric art. Mandelbrot set is composed of several contours approaching the true set... the curve of circumference is enclosing a finite surface. Scale-invariance, copies of places remind us of quirky spatial dimensions and the flow of curiosity. Neurons renew with life and start buzzing fractalish chaotic sequences for example, when you focus, stare into a book and then lift the view up to the nature. These effects are as bubbles of attention (focus) and rejection, battling other excitements, a strike of surprise. Mind is looking to that bit of brain waves streaming in art.
sv     Wed, May 20, 2009  Permanent link
I've always oscillated back and forth between 'Fate and Free Will' and I would definitely say that the people who ridicule you for your beliefs should think twice before doing so, because although someone like me tends to side on the 'Free Will' side of the argument, determinism definitely is a sound belief to have, based on a variety of factors (behaviorism, the import of sociological conditioning, etc.).

Welcome to SpaceCollective!
nom the puppet     Mon, Jun 1, 2009  Permanent link
hi and welcome

haha yeah determinism has a hard time not getting snub-nosed, but there's wiggle room away from the past in a person's ability to form adaptations to the situations they were previously unsuited for. It happens in nature all the time, creatures seeking out a new niche. The data set required to predict events like that in a person's life would probably be enormous and possibly intrusive.

oh and have you seen this:
the belief may be something like a social nicety, a vote of confidence in fellow human beings, that smooths out our interactions with one another.