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gamma     Wed, Sep 2, 2009  Permanent link
Interesting post, good notions, I understand them completely. I am entertained by this, but I think that I do not live by these rules, maybe because I am not an artist? I think that mechanics and humans follow chaotic dynamics, except they differ at times. Our position against the chaos dynamics allows to save energy.
Alvaro     Thu, Sep 3, 2009  Permanent link
Thanks for your comment gamma. I think nobody really lives by this rules; whether you're an artist or not, failure is out of our reach and not controlled by people at all.

I'm pretty confident to assure that failure can become an aesthetic discourse because it's noticeable in different aspects of life, through different scenarios. The Arts in general just happen to be one of the best tools to communicate abstract ideas and intuition of humanity, they're just the vehicle, not what's inside the vehicle.

I agree with you when you say that mechanics and humans tend to follow chaotic dynamics, but don't really know what you mean by saying that it allows to save energy, could you please elaborate on that?
Wildcat     Fri, Sep 4, 2009  Permanent link
very interesting take Alvaro, thank you, made me think about the concept of "noise" once considered an "error" and today considered in some circles the "interesting" aspect of both visual and audio aesthetics.

''We therefore invite young musicians of
talent to conduct a sustained observation of
all noises, in order to understand the various
rhythms of which they are composed, their
principal and secondary tones. By comparing
the various tones of noises with those of
sounds, they will be convinced of the extent
to which the former exceeds the latter. This
will afford not only an understanding, but
also a taste and passion for noises.''

Luigi Russolo (1913)

would you consider 'Noise' to be a failure of order (or possibly of perception of hidden orders) that when turned around, transforms a scenario into a transitory aesthetic discourse?
gamma     Fri, Sep 4, 2009  Permanent link
Thanks for your comment gamma. I think nobody really lives by this rules; whether you're an artist or not, failure is out of our reach and not controlled by people at all.


I think that you described the precise state of "failure" pattern in human mind, which is of course a neural network. Lately I've been working with neural networks, because of learning physics of condensed matter. It is very useful to avoid being a programmer and programming neural networks as if I am going to make them think. Statistical properties that present bulk evolution in time with a single snapshot are diagrams of attractors, repellents, lasting patterns and such. In the space of such possibilities, scenarios are extremely simple. When you are describing a failure, you are describing that dynamics of one pattern, and it sounds very wise (insightful).



I'm pretty confident to assure that failure can become an aesthetic discourse because it's noticeable in different aspects of life, through different scenarios. The Arts in general just happen to be one of the best tools to communicate abstract ideas and intuition of humanity, they're just the vehicle, not what's inside the vehicle.

I agree with you when you say that mechanics and humans tend to follow chaotic dynamics, but don't really know what you mean by saying that it allows to save energy, could you please elaborate on that?



I was going to say that I usually swear material objects such as screws and mechanics of this planet Earth. If in my behavior, in my mind there are no patterns of Earthly mechanics (screws falling out of their place), I could save personal energy in form of breath and mood. That's the theory.

Some people say THAT is the behavior of a machine, but I disagree. Perhaps, the human fuel is softness, but that does not negate The Borg.
Alvaro     Sun, Sep 6, 2009  Permanent link
Wildcat, I wouldn't consider noise as Failure as it can be deliberately made. If you're talking about noise in audio you can adjust it and tweak different frequencies to produce a specific kind of noise in a controlled environment, such as white noise, pink noise and so on.

gamma Thanks for the extended info, the way I presented Failure in the post is totally as a fundamental dynamic perceived and created by/in the human mind. I guess my next question would be: could this be distilled in some form of equation? and if so, could it be proven by the use of that equation?
gamma     Tue, Sep 8, 2009  Permanent link
Wildcat, I wouldn't consider noise as Failure as it can be deliberately made. If you're talking about noise in audio you can adjust it and tweak different frequencies to produce a specific kind of noise in a controlled environment, such as white noise, pink noise and so on.


What would Mandelbrot say about the noise in the signal? It never ends when you zoom in like a Cantor dust. How about stochastic resonance?, in case certain brain process functions only with background noise?


gamma Thanks for the extended info, the way I presented Failure in the post is totally as a fundamental dynamic perceived and created by/in the human mind. I guess my next question would be: could this be distilled in some form of equation? and if so, could it be proven by the use of that equation?


I am only accidentally handling the topic of brain, for which I have no qualification. Equations are perhaps ahead of what you wrote. First on top of my mind is a book from Mishimori, application of Ising model to associative memories. That would be for examples of patterns, states, attractors...

Within one simulation, one pattern could emerge or submerge like an image in your mind - any memory perhaps. Next step. Your post falls into the category where you recognize that "failure" is an "image", but you understand the nature of "failure image" with the background in dynamics.

Did anyone write in the past about elements in awareness interpreted using dynamics?, yes, but did they write about direct, personal insight and handling of elements in awareness as if you are personally witnessing Attractors, Repellents and such as if your brain is a simulation of dynamics and a manifestation screen of the state space? maybe. I do not really know, it could be ordinary stuff at some college or near-ordinary, I can't really find out.