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CoCreatr     Wed, Jul 21, 2010  Permanent link
Thank you for the insights. Looking forward to the next part.

One question remains, for the space in-between.

What is it like to be no 'self' to speak of?
Wildcat     Fri, Jul 23, 2010  Permanent link
CoCreatr :
“One question remains,for the space in-between.

What is it like to be no 'self' to speak of?”




There are many possible ways to describe :” What is it like to be no 'self' to speak of”
one way just came up in the definition of David Eagleman :

“..Possibilian: a word to describe those who “celebrate the vastness of our ignorance, are unwilling to commit to any particular made-up story, and take pleasure in entertaining multiple hypotheses.” (see here for a fascinating exposition of his thoughts)

So in a sense we could say that having no self to speak of simply means that it is meaningless to postulate the ‘I’ sense, at least in as much as the ascription of continuity is given as such.

However the above is quite obscure so to give a more coherent answer I need use the tools of poetry and prose, metaphors and the like.

In this vein then here is a sort of Haiku written just now:


Turbulent waters of chaos
Silent
Immersed in virtual absence
To have no self to speak of
Difference


Venessa     Fri, Jul 23, 2010  Permanent link
and what, do you suggest, would be the mechanism that would enable one to

a.) adopt a fully inclusive worldview of all of humanity, if not extending beyond

and

b.) to conceptualize that meaning exists in the gaps, and that we are constantly in flux

i have become myopic in my associations, comfortably locating myself within a community of thinkers with an expansive mindset; sadly, this is not the greater reality "out there" in the world. many firmly adhere to their singular viewpoint, see the world as us vs. them, and do not think about implications of actions, or the driving forces, motivations, and ideologies that influence their own thoughts and decisions. what will it take for this raising of conscious awareness to extend beyond the sphere of our philosophical companions?
Infinitas     Fri, Jul 23, 2010  Permanent link
You painted quite the picture, Wildcat. It's not unlike something that I had envisioned in a dream...

And if I may share some insight:

As I try to visualize the concepts, I imagine the traditional plane of space and time. And just as a large mass sits on the plane and creates a curvature due to gravity, the idea of a "self" is identical to the effects of a singularity on the plane. An infinite amount of possibilities exist surrounding the "gap", and all the possibilities of decisions can alter the "directionality" of that singularity. If one were to experience "no self" than there would exist only a "silent" plane.

In addition and as I have not-so-eloquently suggested in a previous post: this idea of a "plane," or perhaps "existence" would suffice, could be likened to a string, an axis or a line. The wave, or more accurately, the wave particle, along this axis, our present "self," is the variability and direction of our perceived "self" through time. To be just a line would be to have no "self" passing along through existence as nature, perhaps, intended if it weren't for our sentience. And to push it to limit, maybe to be just an unwavering point in this silent vastness would be to exist unhindered by space and time. Isn't that a foreseeable outcome of technology and the virtual? Or even likened to the Buddhist concept of Nirvana, being liberated from ignorance?

There was something formless and perfect
before the universe was born. It is serene. Empty.
Solitary. Unchanging.
Infinite. Eternally present.
It is the mother of the universe.
For lack of a better name,
I call it the Tao. (Tao Te Ching)
Wildcat     Sun, Jul 25, 2010  Permanent link
Hello Venessa and thank you for a thoughtful comment,

I am quite certain that the questions you ask are in the minds of most of us and are indeed very difficult and expansive points and issues that need be addressed if we are to create or more accurately, allow to emerge, this ‘better world’ we all dream about.

My first answer to your last question namely: “what will it take for this raising of conscious awareness to extend beyond the sphere of our philosophical companions?”
Is simple enough and highly difficult to realize, it is a quote from Albert Camus:

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”

Albert Camus

I use this above quote because when all is said and done, when all philosophies and visions are presented and expounded, explicated to the last detail, it is still the integrity of one’s freedom that represents the actual change of the state of affairs of mind. It is only through such kind of freedom that understanding and empathy will become the staples of a future and better civilization.

We need remember that as conscious aware beings, at least to the extant that between randomness and determinism we allow for the initial conjugation of free and will, we have different notions of what will in due time constitute a better world, our notions of better may very well appear as hell on earth for others, hence lies the problem. (read this simple but clear exposition on the subject: Design your own utopia)

It is patently clear that, to use your first point, namely :” adopt a fully inclusive worldview of all of humanity, if not extending beyond” we need propose a large enough framework of possibilities of expression and potentials, such indeed is the very fabric of the Polytopia project.

Moreover the manner of exposition we have chosen for the polytopia project is one of extensive arguments for the fundamental benefit to the future of humanity in the acceptance of the different and diverse. Including all those that at present you refer to as ;” firmly adhere to their singular viewpoint, see the world as us vs. them, and do not think about implications of actions, or the driving forces, motivations, and ideologies that influence their own thoughts and decisions. “

Change will not happen by coercion but by enticement, not from above or from below, change happens in hypercomplexity by the flirting ambientation of a few extreme propagators of change such as yourself and many others in our so called niche of futurists pathfinders.

Finally, allow me to say this, as you know I am a great believer in change through language (read this for an interesting take on the difference in cultures born of language differences : Lost in Translation)
Through the change in language and by consequence its implication both on the particular individual and her conceptual representation of the world change in motivational perspective becomes change in action and behavior and propagates through the different layers of reality.
We have at present a fascinating experiment going on in the infosphere that does just that, let us be the agencies of freedom that we desire using the language of a future posthuman that finds no solace in old terminologies and the enticement of his comfort zone. In its stead let us use the new language to allow the emergence of the civilization we so deeply desire.

This cannot be rushed.