WildcatMon, Nov 24, 2008 Shandora: “- Mind is the manner in which existence becomes known to us.“
First of all allow me to say that I really like this statement, it carries the philosophical, the poetic and the immediate in a manner which is both an allowance and an inspiration. Having said that, the statement need explaining, specifically who is the :”us” to which the existence becomes known to, via the manner called here a/the “ mind”?
Furthermore, in this presentation you imply that ‘mind’ is a manner of knowing?
A fashion? A mode of behavior of a system?
I like that but it needs more elaboration.
So, if I understand you correctly, consciousness you see as an emergent property of mind?
Shandora: “Consciousness is alive then:-)”
of course! How else would we be having this communication?;-)
moreover, by stating that consciousness is alive we allow for the implementation of the evolutionary principle, thus not only does consciousness evolve in itself, the state of being a conscious aware entity evolves and mutates across time. (as by the way is freedom and understanding)
Shandora:" ...Especially the term “Universal Interests” seems to be encompassing the universal with the local. Isn't interest always local, designating attraction and possible strategies ?"
I do not think that interest in its abstract sense is a local phenomenon (though granted that it does have a localized manifest, at times), 'au contraire', interest may very well be the designation for an operational attitude of all laws regulating the universal flow of information.
As I see it interest is the backbone normalizing factor of evolution, so in a sense, if we speak about life, we need ask why/how is it interesting? the very fact that our higher faculties require this question to move (or be motivated) implies that at least as far as Mind (local or global) is concerned interest stands for the abstract of motive and direction.
As an example see how we (humanity) have developed into a scientific and technological civilization demanding from ourselves both an explanation of the state of affairs of the universe at large and the tools to implement our desires and needs on same universe. The reason we have developed in this direction is because it is interesting for us to have the knowledge and the technology of change this knowledge both implies and allows.
Why is this interesting though? Why are we interested in the ‘how’ and ‘why’ of the universe at large, we could very well fulfill all of our evolutionary needs (survival and such) without this kind of scientific research and technological implementation, however our conscious aware minds demand (so to say) that we be interested in ‘other’ things, ideas, people, emotions, flows, info and so on.
In fact it will be true to say that without the directionality and motivation implied by the interest deployed in consciousness this kind of humanity would have been impossible. Interest is possibly the most basic of all conscious aware traits/attributes.
Shandora: “- Mind is the manner in which existence becomes known to us.“
First of all allow me to say that I really like this statement, it carries the philosophical, the poetic and the immediate in a manner which is both an allowance and an inspiration. Having said that, the statement need explaining, specifically who is the :”us” to which the existence becomes known to, via the manner called here a/the “ mind”?
Furthermore, in this presentation you imply that ‘mind’ is a manner of knowing?
A fashion? A mode of behavior of a system?
I like that but it needs more elaboration.
So, if I understand you correctly, consciousness you see as an emergent property of mind?
Shandora: “Consciousness is alive then:-)”
of course! How else would we be having this communication?;-)
moreover, by stating that consciousness is alive we allow for the implementation of the evolutionary principle, thus not only does consciousness evolve in itself, the state of being a conscious aware entity evolves and mutates across time. (as by the way is freedom and understanding)
Shandora:" ...Especially the term “Universal Interests” seems to be encompassing the universal with the local. Isn't interest always local, designating attraction and possible strategies ?"
I do not think that interest in its abstract sense is a local phenomenon (though granted that it does have a localized manifest, at times), 'au contraire', interest may very well be the designation for an operational attitude of all laws regulating the universal flow of information.
As I see it interest is the backbone normalizing factor of evolution, so in a sense, if we speak about life, we need ask why/how is it interesting? the very fact that our higher faculties require this question to move (or be motivated) implies that at least as far as Mind (local or global) is concerned interest stands for the abstract of motive and direction.
As an example see how we (humanity) have developed into a scientific and technological civilization demanding from ourselves both an explanation of the state of affairs of the universe at large and the tools to implement our desires and needs on same universe. The reason we have developed in this direction is because it is interesting for us to have the knowledge and the technology of change this knowledge both implies and allows.
Why is this interesting though? Why are we interested in the ‘how’ and ‘why’ of the universe at large, we could very well fulfill all of our evolutionary needs (survival and such) without this kind of scientific research and technological implementation, however our conscious aware minds demand (so to say) that we be interested in ‘other’ things, ideas, people, emotions, flows, info and so on.
In fact it will be true to say that without the directionality and motivation implied by the interest deployed in consciousness this kind of humanity would have been impossible. Interest is possibly the most basic of all conscious aware traits/attributes.