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    EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY IN THE FUTURE
    this new drug sounds amazing, but i hope that it will always be properly regulated. or else, things can get out of hand.

     http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2007/07/01/scimemo101.xml 

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    joakim     Tue, Jul 3, 2007  Permanent link
    Its strange how automatically and without afterthought we demand authoritarian regulation these days:

    http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3502/

    http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3486/
    cupcakewizard     Fri, Jul 6, 2007  Permanent link
    Yeah, that's a tough one. I feel like part of the human process is to experience all these feelings and to work through them. Then again I guess it depends on the severity? I'm mixed.
    steven     Tue, Jul 10, 2007  Permanent link
    i'm equally as mixed because it is the experiences that shape us as people. so i guess this drug has the potential to shape or reshape a persons personality. which i guess can be a good thing, but still things can get a bit murky. i can only see this drug being applied to extreme cases in the near future. i doubt i will live to see this sort of thing being prescribed to just anyone.

    thanks for the cool links joakim.
    josh     Tue, Jul 10, 2007  Permanent link
    I dont know about you guys, but in a funny little way, i like my bad memories. they have helped to shape who i am and what i believe in as an adult.

    however, i can see the benefits. i mean, whats to stop some devious doctor from sexually assaulting his patients. then while the memory is fresh in their mind, erase it as if nothing ever happened.

    or worse, a homicidal maniac goes on the worst killing spree in the last decade. the only thing that could possibly win the case to convict the murderer is a lie detector test. only this person has had their memory erased.

    i could go on...
    steven     Tue, Jul 10, 2007  Permanent link
    i agree Obviously Subtle, the experiences cultivate the persons personality. i think people should cope with past experiences, but when there issues were people cannot carry on normally, such as war veterans who relive there war experiences in their daily lives, then i think this drug is not such a bad idea.
    dannic     Tue, Jan 15, 2008  Permanent link
    So it is memory suiciding.

    I wish I could get my brain wiped.
    Orizyn     Wed, Jan 16, 2008  Permanent link
    Kind of sounds like the thing historians have been using for a long time.

    But seriously, when the time comes that we are all happy that will be great!
    Its just those days when you are not as happy as others that scare me.

    No, but really seriously, if you like this kind of thinking check out www.bltc.com
    Great site!
    bpwnes     Wed, Jan 16, 2008  Permanent link
    If everyone is happy, no one will be happy.
    meika     Wed, Jan 16, 2008  Permanent link
    omigoddess!


    If everyone is happy, no one will be happy.


    Everyone will be emo.
    Lateralis     Wed, Jan 16, 2008  Permanent link
    Well, if the drug becomes main stream, allowing people to warp their memories and erase all unwanted aspects of their past, at least we can be certain that it'll certainly make things funnier, if nothing else. Imagine sneaking the drug into your professor's drink, while he's grading tests.

    Hilarity will soon ensue, I'm sure.
         Wed, Jan 16, 2008  Permanent link
    Yeah, uhh... So, unwanted memories. Sure, they suck when you don't want to have them. But what about memories that other people don't want you to have?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkultra
    http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/marcheti.htm

    Oh, and especially related is previous attempts:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron

    I don't think that this sounds too happy to me.

    And what everyone says about bad memories shaping the person... Completely true, and it can be better or it can be worse. Let me put it this way: All the people I have known who have faced shitty days after days due to bad memories (Depression, and especially PTSD) have either learned to grow around it all and learn from their mistakes/bad experiences while coming to accept themselves and/or the world for making/experiencing them or are stuck on antidepressants/etc which only tend to numb the internal strife as a solution based in completely materialistic and hopefully futuristically anarchronistic "if I consume things they will make me happy" ideals. There is already effective treatment methods out there for people with bad memories, though however, are illegal. Take a look at these links:

    http://www.maps.org/mdma/
    http://ptsdcombat.blogspot.com/2007/11/ptsd-researchers-ecstatic-about-mdma.html
    http://www.mdma.net/therapy/ptsd.html
     http://www.maps.org/secretchief/sctoc.html  <<And this is the crown jewel for those who are into heavier reading on this subject

    As mentioned in the article, with post-traumatic stress disorder, simply making them forget sounds completely fucking unrealistic to me. What about everyone else who remembers, for example? Also, since this basically sounds like it amounts to brain damage, what's the deal here with people getting psyched over this when the whole basis of banning psychedelic usage (And therefore therapy) rests on "brain damage" when this sounds a million times worse? What's being somewhat and temporarily e-tarded compared to this straight up memory loss shit? If propranolol begins to be regulated for usage of memory altercation and MDMA remains on the shelf, I urge you all to really deeply think about the reasons why.
     
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