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    nonordinary elements of our conciousness
    Started as a comment and evolved into a response to Keen's Terrance McKenna and DMT

    I used to have a pet hedgehog and became very interested in her consciousness. Many animals and plants for that matter, perceive reality in what I believe to be drastically different than humans, one of the reasons for this is the addition of other sensory modes.

    In the hedgehogs case a sense organ known as the Jacobson's organ is implemented in its physiology to perceive pheromonal activity in its environment therefore giving it the ability to interpret and communicate through a unique process alien to our human experience.
    Like certain rodents have the ability in their aural senses to perceive frequencies of sound outside of our capability to do so.

    To state it differently we as humans are immersed in these elements of reality constantly, though we do not directly experience them. Thus they still have valid existence.

    In a similar way we are physiologically gifted with a pineal gland, which is also believed to be a sensory organ of sorts. As suggested in Richard Strassmans book DMT: The Spirit Molecule, the pineal gland secretes DMT during the great mysterious experiences of our existence. When we are born, when we are sleeping (dreaming) when we are dying or near dying and in schizophrenics during psychotic episodes to name a few.

    from the british journal of psychology 1980:
    The excretion of N,N,-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) was frequently raised in the Schizophrenic's when they were "psychotic" but was usually normal when they had recovered

    from wikipedia:
    Some sleep researchers have noted that near death experiences are similar to many of the experiences reported during lucid dreaming.

    DMT and the pineal gland seem to be connected in some way to the mystical experience. And as mentioned by Keen, the presence of entities and receiving information outside of personal experience seem to be common experiences, further lending gravity to the notion of 'another realm of reality' which our pineal gland allows us to experience.

    In conclusion I believe that reality is far more extensive than our current instruments of science are able to quantify. We should gracefully accept that the human experience and what we perceive daily as reality is not all encompassing.
    Western schools of thought need to give more credit to experiential knowledge, as methods of exploring ways to extend our sensory experience have been practiced successfully for centuries.

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    keen     Mon, Jan 11, 2010  Permanent link
    There's this video of a seminar by a guy called David Wilcock i once saw. he talks about the pineal gland. His other topics are interdimensional communication, global transformation and some conspiracy stuff, but he also says a great deal about the "communication" purpose of the pineal gland and explains how he thinks it works. (video)

    He sees the pineal gland as a hyper dimensional stargate built into our human physiology which enables us to time travel. The stargate functions by the use of ordinary water, H2O. When shielded off from all of the electromagnetic references to our existing 3rd dimensional space/time... the water can shift and have a connection made to an inverted reality of time/space. When time/space has been entered there is access to one dimension of space and ability of movement through time...
    In this realm fast forwarding or rewinding through time can be accomplished very easily much like in space/time we have easy movement ability through space.
    This is accomplished through tiny molecules within the pineal gland water called microclusters. These microclusters are depicted in plutonic solid geometry shapes. The microclusters form a resonant gateway which allows transition into time/space.

    Here's another video showing a simple experiment demonstrating the link between resonance and geometry shapes. (Sand on this plate forms shapes when exposed to soundwaves. The higher the frequency, the more complex the shapes produced.)
    Infinitas     Mon, Jan 11, 2010  Permanent link
    I really think that these mystical experiences are what so many people have referred to as a connection with god. Basically, it's what spawned religion and many philosophies. I came to this penultimate conclusion after some, and still continuous, intense focus on the nature of existence through personal experience and the gathering of knowledge from far and wide.

    What I want to know is how these parallel universes and alternate realities, brought on by drugs and/or naturally-causes, play a part in modern physics, ie dimensions, the multiverse, etc, that is if they do (I think they do). I think that if we can find the keystone for the mind/body spiritual connection, we can then leave our "physical responsibilities". DMT just might be it, though it is only provides a temporary feeling. Besides dying (assuming there is some sort of life after death, ie. heaven/hell, reincarnation, eternal buddhahood postmortem: being free from samsara, etc), how can we reach this world's apparent boundless liberation?

    Technology? If mind-uploading and full-time virtual reality becomes real, can the same earnings of buddhahood be recreated for millions, even billions of people in the world? What are the differences between these technological and mystical states? Will we become the infamous, soulless "grey aliens" time traveling to abduct us in search of a real soul? :D

    Also, it appears to me that many of us here are working in the first two noble realms found in Mahayana Buddhist cosmology.
    weather     Mon, Jan 11, 2010  Permanent link
    thanks for the feedback you guys.
    And thank you for the information regarding the noble realms. Lots of perspective in that.

    and keen that video is amazing, don't know what to make of it, but remarkable nonetheless
         Mon, Jan 11, 2010  Permanent link
    Glad you posted that cymatics video! I actually put that one up and some others here a little while ago if you're interested in more on that:

    I'm really skeptical of the resonance/vibration -> transdimensional whatever stuff you said based on the fact that it makes zero sense, though. What, there's a faraday cage around my pineal gland or something? How do you "enter time and space"? As for microclusters, isn't that the same deal as that hilarious ionized water scam? (link goes to redacted page that one extolled virtues of the shitwater in question)

    Cool picture of a clock, though!
    Gomez Odom     Tue, Jan 12, 2010  Permanent link

    I think most any researcher would readily admit that there is more existent in our everyday lives than we may ever be able to perceive or conceive of. They do figure out new ways of deducing undetected phenomena (not so phenomenal perhaps) or maybe rearranging our limited bubble of perception into some understanding of what may be happening beyond it.

    Personally, I'm preferential to a solipsist-esque view that the perceptions of linked beings (socially or biologically or neurologically or what have you. Maybe even chemically.) and the realities deduced are true dimensions. The dimensions of these separate perceptions would need to inherit a new title - something like planes - and voila, you have a pretty simple vision of the extremely complex systems of perception that inhabit our little world. Perhaps the human dimension and the, say, ant dimension, just do not ever overlap for any significant interaction. They obviously exist in the same reality, but the perceived dimensions may never meet, or if they do, they never fully align
    As a human being I would no longer say that I inhabit a 3 dimensional reality with time acting as a quasi-dimension link to space. Rather, I would say that I inhabit the ultimate reality and merely perceive the human dimension. In this human dimension I deduce planes of differentiation between behaviors of matter and it's processes. Thus, I may deduce some aspects of how ants interact in reality, but I can never experience their dimension within reality. Neither can I ever deduce the planes of that dimension in the way that they ant does.
    Of course, maybe ants and I are linked in a more fundamental perception of reality than we realize, so our dimensions overlap much more completely than say, some distant nebulae and I.

    Maybe that's all superficial semantics. Like saying the hindu gods are something bigger than the christian saints.

    /end ramble.
    weather     Tue, Jan 12, 2010  Permanent link
    As a human being I would no longer say that I inhabit a 3 dimensional reality with time acting as a quasi-dimension link to space. Rather, I would say that I inhabit the ultimate reality and merely perceive the human dimension.

    well said
    nagash     Fri, Jan 15, 2010  Permanent link
    keen, this seminar from David Wilcock is amazing, I always recommend it to anyone up to some serious crank theories. but among crop circles, pineal gland, stargates and other topics that seens out of a good Fringe episode, he mentions a child movie called The Last Minzy.
    here some screens...

    this movie tells the story of two brothers - a nerdy type and his "sensible" little sister - who finds a box of... hum, tools that allows them to perform little tricks with space and time, while also connecting/communicating with insects and other life forms. (sounds kind of familiar to you?)
    someone on IMDB summed the plot saying "think 12 Monkeys but a bunny steps in for Bruce Willis"
    and I think it's a truly accurate description.
    of course, keep in mind that it's a movie for kids so expect a fair share of sillyness...
    but it was adapted from the short-story Mimsy Were the Borogoves, by Lewis Padgett (pseudonym by SF authors/spouses Henry Kuttner and C. L. Moore) and the title itself was a passage from Alice in wonderland.

    pick up that movie, watch it with your nephew or whatever, and you will understand my point (and why was this movie mentioned in "the lone gunmen" seminar of mindbogglingly stuff).
    keen     Fri, Jan 15, 2010  Permanent link
    thx for the suggestion, I'll surely take a look at it!